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May 10, 2019 10:18:42   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Free spirits don't subscribe


So Free Spirits write their own postprocessing software?

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May 10, 2019 10:38:55   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
Yes. Though some of them go open source.

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May 10, 2019 11:26:49   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If Adobe PS and LR were being offered for just one penny, many of us would recognize the subscription for what it is ...

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May 10, 2019 11:59:41   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
All this carping about 10 bucks.... You want to squeeze the buffalo nickel until it leaks on your fingers ? SOOC images should be just fine for you... You have a high dollar camera with LOTS of in camera processing options available; hone your skills and learn your camera. Actually, as a learning exercise, it would prob. do us all some good to " get it right " in the camera for a while and forget about PP. Maybe we could work our brain a little bit. Aargh... what a thought.

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May 10, 2019 12:15:33   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
You can only get it so right SOOC...Some people like to go a little further...

Maybe we should coin a new term...SOOP...straight out of phone...😎

MrBob wrote:
All this carping about 10 bucks.... You want to squeeze the buffalo nickel until it leaks on your fingers ? SOOC images should be just fine for you... You have a high dollar camera with LOTS of in camera processing options available; hone your skills and learn your camera. Actually, as a learning exercise, it would prob. do us all some good to " get it right " in the camera for a while and forget about PP. Maybe we could work our brain a little bit. Aargh... what a thought.

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May 10, 2019 12:43:09   #
Nigel7 Loc: Worcestershire. UK.
 
I understand why Adobe went to subscription. In my photographic society hardly any members had legal copies before CC. Adobe were being robbed blind by illegal copies of Photoshop. CC seems to have stopped this and rightly so.

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May 10, 2019 13:21:46   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
You can only get it so right SOOC...Some people like to go a little further...

Maybe we should coin a new term...SOOP...straight out of phone...😎


Actually T.O.D. I think I will give up PP for a week or so to see if I can handle it; I know I have the ASS (aggressive slider syndrome ), so maybe I will try and get more out of my phone, err camera.... Did I say that ? Actually I like SOOP.... maybe we will be in some form of hieroglyphics soon.

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May 10, 2019 17:29:17   #
robertperry Loc: Sacramento, Ca.
 
My brother in law works for Adobe. No way could they keep up with hackers. Cheap subscription helps with that issue.

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May 11, 2019 10:26:26   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
f8lee wrote:
There's been plenty of ranting since I wrote my entry this morning (2 pages ago) - as if you people don't read what other wrote before anointing us with your pithy thoughts. Shocking.

But most of you ought to read my entry - Adobe is following what most of the software industry will be moving to in their subscription model - it has nothing whatever to do with you and everything to do with their ability to better forecast revenue streams.

Again, for those who don't know - you never "bought" software in the past - the money you paid was to buy a license to use the software - read the EULA if you don't understand this.

And, to repeat my example, for those whining about Microsoft putting office into this kind of scheme, know that they have also done the same thing with their flagship business ERP software. There's little doubt but that SAP and Oracle and other software houses will eventually do the same.

So, get over it.

As for the ability to port your images to a new program you choose to replace whatever you have, as all of use that used to use Aperture and were unceremoniously dumped (gee, thank you Apple!) have learned, you will need to export the edited versions of you images (tens of thousands though there may be) in order to keep those edits, since the metadata of cropping, coor temperature corrections and whatever else will be lost when you switch.
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This is very useful. But adobe said 2 different things online. That said my point was the big picture. My status is in chaos. I cancelled the suite it was $56. The status of all my programs here is just a screen shot. And Whether we can recover our files that are in CC in classic versions is unknown. I guess we are being blackmailed to continue the suite. They list me as only having PS which i use a lot. But are trying to resell me what? This is not all the programs in question. People are getting philosophical here. This is a mess and adobe has always been a dark company to deal with. Many of us use pdf versions. I have pop ups from Adobe telling me that I lose features from Acrobat now when I was opening a pdf. Yes they have pdf players but i do customize sends sometimes as to how the doc opens. I got a survey from they which was convoluted and long. How you treat your customers who basic to business.



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May 11, 2019 10:38:10   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Tom Daniels:
Maybe you should call them. You inadvertently chose many of the programs in the cloud. All you want is either Lightroom CC and/or Lightroom Classic CC. They are the only ones to download from this list. They are $9.99/month. You also get Bridge for this price. Hope this helps

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May 13, 2019 12:17:31   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
jlg1000 wrote:
There has been a long discussion on why to go with the Adobe LR/PS subscription plan or why not to.

I'd like to offer a different view on this matter... on why I really don't like the Adobe subscription and why I do not recommend to anyone to follow this path.

No, it is not for the money... $10/month for the LR/PS subsciption, or $69 por ON1, or $50 for Affinity are always pennies next to the cost of photographic gear or the cost of the time we invest in this hobby or profession.

It is because the real reason because Adobe choose to *force* their customers to go to a subscription plan. The subscription is NOT an option (as for Capture One), but is MUST.

Adobe was facing a very severe competition, not only from other players, but specially from themselves. Photoshop has become such an amazing and extremely powerful piece of software that there is no real need to purchase an upgrade each year, at least for the majority of it's users.

If someone invested $700 in Photoshop, he or she would think twice (or trice) before throwing $300 for an upgrade. And this was the key problem: when a piece of software gets so enormous like Photoshop (or MS Word, or Autocad), it is increasingly difficult and expensive to add more features and improvements *that can be sold for a high price*. The problem is: how do you improve something that is already perceived as almost perfect?

Would you really pay $300 for some bugfixes and some new features you do not readily use?

The other problem is that Photoshop started in 1987... yes it is that old. Many of it concepts are hardcoded in the oldest lines of code, and the original programmers have left Adobe long since. I've already faced this problem in my line of work: you have a some huge program, and you reach a point where you have to start from scratch, because it is so complex that touching somethings makes fall the rest apart like a house of cards. And if the original developers are gone, you are dead in the water. You only option is to fix, fix, add, fix, add, wrap, fix, add ... it gets harder and harder. There is a theoretical curve for that... just google it.The cost goes up, the improvements go down.

Adobe has already a more modern product which is not nearly as powerful as Photoshop: Lightroom. Other players have chosen the newer path of adding non destructive photo retouch features to the RAW developing workflow (Capture One, ON1, DXO labs, etc.), but if Adobe went that path, it would necessary stop selling Photoshop. Why pay $700 for PS if LR already had 90% of the features an average photografer would need. THEY HAD TO THROTTLE the addition of new additions to LR, like masks, layers, and so on.

So they decided to go the subscription plan... now all the risk is on the customer!! The customer purchases the subscription and forgets about it (... its just 10 bucks a month ...) and Adobe is free to push the updates THEY want. They no longer need to convince the public to buy an expensive upgrade. And if you choose to cancel the subscription, you lose the ability to re-edit all your past photos, it's almost blackmail.

If you look at Adobe's changelog, most of the upgrades are rather minor (new camera compatibility, bugfixes, some menu regrouping some minor new features). Honestly, would you pay $300 a year for them?

The real reason behind the seemingly low price of the subscription is not they they are nice and cute people... it is simply because in a free market, *the price is set by the market itself *and it happens that LR+PS is not more worth than those $10 per month. This is the ugly truth. Capture One charges $20 per month for the OPTIONAL subscription... just because they can. Adobe cannot.

The other software vendors are forced to make great leaps between versions, or else their customers will not pay the upgrade fee. And it shows: look at the differences between ON1 2018 and 2019, or Capture One 11 and 12.

The same happened to MS Office: I have the subscription plan (it makes sense to my business... $99/year for 5 PCs), since 2017... and I really don't find any significant improvements (besides new fancy icons) between the 2017 and the 2019 software. It's just incremental.

This is the reason because I don't like subscription plans: because it is the last resource of a company to reduce their development costs at the expense of innovation. That is exactly was Adobe did.

I just don't want to play their game.
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I felt the same way until I changed over, out of necessity-yes, but now that I have I don't care. It's what I know and it does the job I need it to do. $10 month is okay for me. I have a copy of Affinity also but it sits there because I just don't want to have to learn a whole new workflow.

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