My experience is that the first $2000 you spend on a camera+lens gets you about a 30% to 60% improvement in image quality over a cell phone, depending on what you shoot.
The next $2000 gets you a 5% to 10% improvement.
After that, the improvement in image quality is so minor that the average viewer won't know the difference. The D850 is a very good camera, and the difference between that and a Fuji GFX 50S (for example) is going to be incremental.
If you can look at the pictures and identify the difference you are trying to achieve, then it might be worth the extra money. Remember though that the GFX 50S uses a traditional Bayer Sensor array, rather than the Fuji X-Trans, so some people will actually prefer the "look" of the Fuji ASPC.
Rent one and see. Even if you dislike the size, you will still get a weekend's worth of medium-format pictures to mull over.
Go peruse the huge prints in a Tom Mangelson Gallery. He shoots 35mm.
CO wrote:
With medium format, you might be struggling to achieve a deep depth of field for your landscape photos. You would be using a longer focal length lens to have the same field of view as with your full frame camera. That longer focal length lens will produce a shallower depth of field (if you remain standing in the same spot). I would stick with your D850. Spend the money on really good glass.
Correct my back of the napkin math here, but it might not be too bad. My source
https://shuttermuse.com/fujifilm-gfx-crop-factor-and-gf-lens-35mm-full-frame-equivalent-focal-lengths/ and
https://www.photopills.com/calculators/dofSo by my understanding the crop factor for the crop type medium format such as Fujifilm GFX relative to full frame is .79 so the medium format equivalent to a mild wide angle with the same angle of view to a full frame 36mm would be 45mm. 45mm medium format at f8 would focus from roughly 11 feet to infinity at the hyperfocal distance, while 36mm on a full frame would focus about 9 feet to infinity.
Going with full size medium format is different. The crop factor would be .64, so an equivalent lens if it existed would be 56mm, which would focus at f8 from 15 feet to infinity. The closest real lens seems to be 50mm and that would focus 12 feet to infinity at f8.
John Howard wrote:
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Unless you want to make prints to cover an entire wall in your house, MF will not be much of a a benefit.
Retina
Loc: Near Charleston,SC
Gene51 wrote:
Well, if you are going to go medium format, why muck around with a med format toy like the Panasonic. You might as well go BIG - mortgage the house while your at it and get a Phase One IQ4 150MP. At $52,000, it will cure your gas. I doubt it will help with the wounds and broken bones that you will suffer after your significant other finds out what you did.
Brings back a memory of a film clip involving a hold up involving an Australian, a knife and a REAL KNIFE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnww12a6W8oWell, if you are going to go medium format, why mu... (
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Maybe his SO will say "Now THAT'S a camera!". But to be on topic, even a marginal improvement at the IQ levels Mr Howard is working with can be worth it. I do like the idea of renting first. It will also give his PP system a trial run ahead of the purchase.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS RENT FIRST... then buy if you like what you have used. So glad I didn't buy that D750....
It is one of the reasons “professional” photographer used medium format back in the film days. Tiny thirty-five millimeter cameras couldn’t compare to a six by six or six by seven format camera if the photographer had any skill. Maybe the newer Fuji 100, Canon R pro that rumors say is coming soon...then Nikon and Sony won’t be left out either.
You could pick up a used Hasselblad and shoot film too. I miss the 120 Kodachrome! Another photographer who worked in the same town I did specialized in horse photography he produced huge prints that were amazing! Hasselblad. I used a Mamiya RB 67 to shoot weddings.
Toting one of those around all day, that was work!
ELNikkor wrote:
Keep the D850 and invest in a good pano-head system that will guide you to perfect photo-stitching images. Shooting highest res, overlapping frames can give you sensor-to-image ratios equivalent to shooting with a 4x5 sensor. And, if the resulting 1gb final file size is still too small for you, you can always get AI Gigapixel by Topaz, and bump your resolution to a 6gb file, so you can print barn-size photos at 300 dpi. This will all be cheaper than going to a larger format.
That's a very practical solution, despite the extra work involved in assembling a stitched image, for two reasons:
1. You don't always need the extra resolution. It's wasted on a shot with a shallow DOF.
2. System resolution - It's a combination of sensor and lens resolution and it's always less than the weakest link.
Some clarification on #2. A good lens has less resolution (in line pairs per mm) than a 36 MP full frame sensor but it's still a little better than a typical MF lens. You need to spend a lot of money to get a lens with resolution to match a 36-50 MP sensor. That goes for MF as well.
On the other hand, if you match a good lens with a decent sensor, for example 24 MP, and then stitch a bunch of frames together, you can get the extra resolution without the limitation of either the lens or the sensor.
For example, stitching 3 frames across and 3 high with a 50% overlap and you end up with an image with 8000x12000 pixels, 96 MP. With a really good lens and a 45 MP sensor you can end up with 180 MP. What more can you ask?
You can save a lot of money by getting the very best 35mm lens available. Then even your simple (not stitched) images will be as good as they can get.
Besperus wrote:
... You could pick up a used Hasselblad and shoot film too. I miss the 120 Kodachrome! Another photographer who worked in the same town I did specialized in horse photography he produced huge prints that were amazing! Hasselblad. I used a Mamiya RB 67 to shoot weddings.
Toting one of those around all day, that was work!
That's actually my preferred alternative.
Film resolution in lp/mm does not change with the format so the effective resolution is proportional to the area of the format.
You may lose a little bit in lens resolution but you make up for most of that be not having to enlarge as much to get to the final image.
On the other hand, digital cameras produce amazing your Nikon is a great start. I think a Pentax K1 is also great for landscape work. Both companies are making great lenses. As far as cost and improved images...judge for yourself. Rent a couple medium format cameras and see what each does, compare use and what is important to you.
On the other hand, digital cameras produce amazing your Nikon is a great start. I think a Pentax K1 is also great for landscape work. Both companies are making great lenses. As far as cost and improved images...judge for yourself. Rent a couple medium format cameras and see what each does, compare use and what is important to you.
John Howard
Loc: SW Florida and Blue Ridge Mountains of NC.
rpavich wrote:
Why chase this "image quality" detail-sharpness thing?
There is ALWAYS something better/bigger/newer out there to spend money on.
How about working on making better images through some other means like using better light...or finding better stuff to stand in front of?
Thanks. Good thought and advice.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
bleirer wrote:
No experience to offer, but I recently looked at how cameras compared for dynamic range. Not surprising that the medium formats were at the top of the list. But your camera was right up there in the top tier as well.
Camera/Dynamic Range/Low Light ISO/Low Light EV
Phase One IQ4 150MP 13.11 22524 12.82
Phase One IQ3 100MP 13.06 12800 12.00
Hasselblad H6D-100c 12.89 8565 11.42
Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 12.22 4991 10.64
Hasselblad H6D-50c 12.01 6400 11.00
Hasselblad X1D-50c 11.98 9058 11.50
Panasonic Lumix DC-S1R 11.94 4522 10.50
Phase One IQ250 11.92 6400 11.00
FujiFilm GFX 50S 11.90 6241 10.96
FujiFilm GFX 50R 11.86 6218 10.96
Pentax 645Z 11.77 5157 10.69
Sony ILCE-7R 11.71 4108 10.36
Sony ILCE-7RM3 11.65 5787 10.85
Nikon D850 11.63 4115 10.36
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Based on this, then, B … it would seem the ONLY FF Cameras even worth considering, are the Panny S1, the Panny S1R, and the Sony 7RIII, then - which even beats out the D850!!!!
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