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Tony Northrup: "Yes, the gear does matter."
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May 2, 2019 14:52:56   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Bobspez wrote:
It depends on the type of picture being taken. I've seen some very nice pics taken with a cellphone and they are great for Facebook. But you can't heavily crop those pictures if that is what you have in mind. You can't take a close up pic of the moon or a closeup of a small bird at 75 ft. with a cellphone. The cell phone lens and sensor just aren't up to the task. You don't need the newest or best equipment, but you do need equipment that is up to the task. You are limited to photographs that your gear is capable of producing. Even generations ago this was true. My father had a Leica camera during and after WWII, but none of his photos acheived the sharpness of studio photographs. The rangefinder Leica couldn't match the quality of studio photography taken with large format cameras. If you look at Anselm Adams' 35mm color photos, they are just average looking snapshots.
It depends on the type of picture being taken. I'v... (show quote)


I agree. And I know that there are images I have captured with my D810 that would have been impossible with my old D300 or D300s. The camera alone certainly didn't do it all...there was a lot that I had to learn and apply, but the D810 absolutely enabled them.

The D850, while a great camera, is not that same level of enabler over the D810, at least not that I have yet discovered. But it's still great to have.

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May 2, 2019 14:58:51   #
Reconvic Loc: clermont Fl
 
saxman71 wrote:
Better camera + better lenses + better shooting technique + better post processing skills = better photos. Did I leave anything out?


for most birding/wildlife, the lighting and how close you are.

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May 2, 2019 17:11:20   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
saxman71 wrote:
Better camera + better lenses + better shooting technique + better post processing skills = better photos. Did I leave anything out?


Possibly '+ better subject/scene'?

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May 2, 2019 18:21:16   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
Grahame wrote:
Possibly '+ better subject/scene'?


Perhaps both could be covered under "technique". But I suppose it does depend on how narrowly or broadly a person defines "technique".

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May 2, 2019 18:50:18   #
j-mo
 
I would never say outright that gear doesn't matter at all. But I do think that having a concept and the skills to capture it are step 1.

If you hand Eddie Van Halen a $100 guitar, he will still sound better than 98% of other guitarists, no matter what guitar they play on.

What gets me is people that are gear-obsessed, or pixel peep-obsessed, to the point where they essentially automatically discount almost everything they see unless it was shot on the exact kit that they think is the "right" kit. The worst of these seem to lack the ability to like anything, because it threatens their smug confidence that they have the best camera and everyone else is an idiot. These are the folks who will quickly glance at whatever image or video you offer them and immediately ask "what did you shoot this on" and if the answer is not the kit they like, they're automatically dismissive or offer "advice" like "yeah those are ok I guess, but you really should be using [insert preferred camera/lens here] if you are serious."

These are often the same people who have taken like at most 10 photos total all year and spent most of their time on the Internet, criticizing everyone else's work and crucifying other shooters over a pixel they don't like when viewed at 8x crop as opposed to getting out and trying to produce art themselves.

To clarify though, of course I agree you should at least use the right type of gear for what your goal is, i.e. don't use a small-sensor point-and-shoot if you are trying to get a large-print landscape in low light or some other challenging goal. And I am well aware of what more pixels can do, etc cetera. But it does get ridiculous really quickly and comes off as a barrier to entry that is both purposefully and inadvertently designed and maintained to keep out the dreaded "amateurs."

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May 2, 2019 19:24:25   #
Keen
 
Gear is important, but not as all important as some think. You can get great photos with a Nikon, or a Canon, etc, using a variety of lenses, speedlights, etc. Most of the differences in gear are convenience oriented.....providing better autofocusing in lower light, or such. Using different gear, you can get the same image by spending more time, going to more bother, adding more light, etc. How much convenience you want, how much / little bother you are willing to go to, determines which gear suits you best. Cost plays a part, too. Are you willing to spend a few thousand extra-or whatever-to get marginally better images....or not? The needs of working professional photographers will usually be different from those of non pros. Even so, some non pros will spend extra to get pro level gear, hoping to get pro level images. I have seen great photographers get great images from a pretty much all plastic Lomo as well as from a mainly metal Hasselblad....so gear is not the 'be all & end all' of great imagery. Better gear tends to make for a better experience....getting great images with less time / bother, but at greater cost in cash. Still, lesser gear can perform well, if you make more of an effort with it.

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May 2, 2019 19:25:35   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
It's time somebody posted a picture. I shot this last night. Hand held, RAW, 1/20, f/2.8, ISO (a mere) 400. Processed in Photoshop CC using brushes to lighten the boats. It was almost dark and I still got this without a tripod. Nikon D810 with a Tamron 24x70MM, f/2.8 G2 lens. Could I have gotten this with my old D300 and the kit lens that came with it shooting in jpeg mode and processed with Photoshop Elements???? I say "no way".


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May 2, 2019 19:47:11   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
saxman71 wrote:
It's time somebody posted a picture. I shot this last night. Hand held, RAW, 1/20, f/2.8, ISO (a mere) 400. Processed in Photoshop CC using brushes to lighten the boats. It was almost dark and I still got this without a tripod. Nikon D810 with a Tamron 24x70MM, f/2.8 G2 lens. Could I have gotten this with my old D300 and the kit lens that came with it shooting in jpeg mode and processed with Photoshop Elements???? I say "no way".


So, you didn't have to use a tripod.

Could someone have gotten this with technology circa 1970? I say "yes."

Mike

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May 2, 2019 19:58:01   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Been watching Hostile Planet recently. Although it's video, you know it wasn't taken using a DSLR and related lenses.

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May 2, 2019 20:03:56   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
So, you didn't have to use a tripod.

Could someone have gotten this with technology circa 1970? I say "yes."

Mike


Actually Mike, I said "could I have gotten it". Someone might have been able to get this shot with 1970 technology but certainly not me.

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May 2, 2019 20:21:37   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
saxman71 wrote:
Actually Mike, I said "could I have gotten it". Someone might have been able to get this shot with 1970 technology but certainly not me.


OK. Understood. It works for you, and I think that is great.

Mike

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May 2, 2019 21:17:01   #
Dr.Nikon Loc: Honolulu Hawaii
 
saxman71 wrote:
Better camera + better lenses + better shooting technique + better post processing skills = better photos. Did I leave anything out?


Yes ..., left out .., years of experience ...and it all adds up .....

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May 2, 2019 21:27:20   #
Dr.Nikon Loc: Honolulu Hawaii
 
One only has to browse photo books from the 1960s .., 1970s .., 1980s ...1990s .., 2019 ... and see the photo work as posted using that periods equipment ...then do your own reasoning .., did the pictures improve as the same photographers got newer and more expensive equipment ... going from film to digital ... new Processing ‘ Photo editing techniques..., you be the judge ...
IMHO ... the answer you seek will lay before your eyes ..

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May 2, 2019 21:39:48   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
Dr.Nikon wrote:
Yes ..., left out .., years of experience ...and it all adds up .....

Can't argue with that (although I feel it was implied in my "technique and post-processing" points).

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May 2, 2019 21:53:06   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Does the artist or the chisel create the sculpture?

Does the musician or the instrument create the music?

One of the greatest musicians I ever knew played the balalaika. That instrument has only three strings, and two of them are tuned in unison. It is very primitive and simple.

Mike

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