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May 1, 2019 09:50:56   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
dennis2146 wrote:
A great point Bob. Maybe camera manufacturers are going the wrong way. They already have cameras that take incredible photographs, with the consumer's help of course. Perhaps they should be looking at adding a phone to the camera. Of course in 50 years there will probably be some method of a person thinking of calling someone and in a nano second that person will be talking in our ear. I am 73 so I will most likely be long gone.

Dennis


What you seem to be suggesting is making a camera with a built in phone, rather than the other way around. This has already been done a couple of times. Most notable was the Samsung K-zoom, which came out a few years ago, and has since been abandoned. It looked, felt, and handled like a point and shoot camera, and had a 10x optical zoom. While it could have been a real winner, due to Samsung's experience making both phones and cameras, its reviews were mostly lukewarm. Its image quality was only marginally better than the competition, due to its use of plastic lenses, and its overall performance as a telephone, was mediocre at best. IMHO, it should be tried again, using better optics and firmware. Include an electronic viewfinder an it would be a real game changer.



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May 1, 2019 09:56:59   #
Canisdirus
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Actually a lot of reviewers do measure the fps. And there is something to measure; the number of frames per second. On the other hand my comment centered on focus acquisition when taking a photo which is measured by the resulting photo of a moving object being in focus in the final image. Which, by the way, is pretty much all that matters in the end. Is my photo in sufficient focus for my needs? DxO does not help with that. Their process assumes focus while in the bulk of real world photography focus is the one thing you need to be able to rely on. Most of the aberrations measured by DxO are fixable in post. So, while DxO provides some comparable information that might help you make a decision in the rare instance that two lenses acquire focus equally well, you still need to know the ability of a lens to focus well before that point and in most cases the focusing ability of the lens will have already determined your choice. Unless you limit yourself to studio, lab, landscape and a little outdoor portrait photography.
Actually a lot of reviewers do measure the fps. ... (show quote)


What I meant by FPS is simply ... if it is 12 fps ... it's 12. Do we really need to have it lab tested?
I don't think DXO is trying to cover every single base, just the biggies....which it does.
AF is pretty simple. I don't need it to be examined. For the most part, everyone knows that SSM is fast, SSMII is a bit faster. Gear ... well, gear drive depends on your camera body, not the lens. I get fast autofocus with gear driven lenses from my A77, but quite a bit faster with the A77II ... it's downright torquey. But AF is easy ... if the lens is expensive, it probably has very fast autofucus. But again, a lot of it depends on your camera body.

I don't think DXO is trying to be a one-stop, end-all site. No one should decide on equipment by a single site.
Now I would like them to expand their lens and camera body cross-referencing ... that would definitely help.

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May 1, 2019 10:26:07   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Canisdirus wrote:
What I meant by FPS is simply ... if it is 12 fps ... it's 12. Do we really need to have it lab tested?
I don't think DXO is trying to cover every single base, just the biggies....which it does.
AF is pretty simple. I don't need it to be examined. For the most part, everyone knows that SSM is fast, SSMII is a bit faster. Gear ... well, gear drive depends on your camera body, not the lens. I get fast autofocus with gear driven lenses from my A77, but quite a bit faster with the A77II ... it's downright torquey. But AF is easy ... if the lens is expensive, it probably has very fast autofucus. But again, a lot of it depends on your camera body.

I don't think DXO is trying to be a one-stop, end-all site. No one should decide on equipment by a single site.
Now I would like them to expand their lens and camera body cross-referencing ... that would definitely help.
What I meant by FPS is simply ... if it is 12 fps ... (show quote)


Not all lens drive systems of the same type operate as well as others any more than the glass in similar lenses by different manufactures produces the same results. You rely on tests for things that produce relatively minor variations within similar levels of lenses but dismiss the ability of a lens to operate well with a a given body. That ability and quality of lens and body match is much more variable and has a greater impact on image quality than the relatively minor stuff measured by DxO. Again unless you restrict yourself to controlled environment photography. DxO is very useful for photography in highly predictable settings with little variation to challenge the the camera system. But as soon as you step into the world where most of us photograph, those numbers become creatively unimportant. How many photos have you had to cull due to bad focus compared to those you cut due to vignetting or chromatic aberration? Personally I have NEVER deleted a photo due to vignetting or chromatic aberration. Not a single one. And that is fixable in post. Focus is not fixable.

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May 1, 2019 10:48:30   #
Canisdirus
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Not all lens drive systems of the same type operate as well as others any more than the glass in similar lenses by different manufactures produces the same results. You rely on tests for things that produce relatively minor variations within similar levels of lenses but dismiss the ability of a lens to operate well with a a given body. That ability and quality of lens and body match is much more variable and has a greater impact on image quality than the relatively minor stuff measured by DxO. Again unless you restrict yourself to controlled environment photography. DxO is very useful for photography in highly predictable settings with little variation to challenge the the camera system. But as soon as you step into the world where most of us photograph, those numbers become creatively unimportant. How many photos have you had to cull due to bad focus compared to those you cut due to vignetting or chromatic aberration? Personally, I have NEVER deleted a photo due to vignetting or chromatic aberration. Not a single one. And that is fixable in post. Focus is not fixable.
Not all lens drive systems of the same type operat... (show quote)


I don't believe I dismissed the importance of lens matching to camera bodies. The best scenario (typically) is matching the brand lens to the same brand body.
I just think DXO gives the most pertinent information on the mechanics of lenses.
It's nice to know if vignetting is going to be one of those things you will constantly have to fix PP ... or not.
So, if you end up with a virtual tie between two lenses ... and vignetting or distortion is less with one...that's the one you investigate further.... imho.
Unless of course, you enjoy fixing images constantly.
I also have never lost an image to V or D .... but I do have to fix it sometimes.

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May 1, 2019 10:54:59   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Canisdirus wrote:
I don't believe I dismissed the importance of lens matching to camera bodies. The best scenario (typically) is matching the brand lens to the same brand body.
I just think DXO gives the most pertinent information on the mechanics of lenses.
It's nice to know if vignetting is going to be one of those things you will constantly have to fix PP ... or not.
So, if you end up with a virtual tie between two lenses ... and vignetting or distortion is less with one...that's the one you investigate further.... imho.
Unless of course, you enjoy fixing images constantly.
I also have never lost an image to V or D .... but I do have to fix it sometimes.
I don't believe I dismissed the importance of lens... (show quote)


But that tie does not matter if one of the lenses has already lost the focus acquisition race. The DxO stuff is only useful in breaking what is already a close race. It is a place to look after other considerations are covered. I use it, but very seldom.

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May 1, 2019 12:56:29   #
Canisdirus
 
dsmeltz wrote:
But that tie does not matter if one of the lenses has already lost the focus acquisition race. The DxO stuff is only useful in breaking what is already a close race. It is a place to look after other considerations are covered. I use it, but very seldom.


Mainly, I use it to see if a lens is sharp on my camera.
I don't worry about focus acquisition as much.
To me, the only kind of lens where it is critical is on a long lens.
Since my go-to lens for that is gear driven .... no worries. The A77II is a beast in that regard.

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May 4, 2019 06:00:08   #
Ranjan Loc: Currently Cyber-Nation!
 
I had been using a Nokia 520 earlier. It had a small screen and lo-res camera (only back-facing) and did not get a satisfactory performance.

Then I used a iphone 8+ (larger screen, higher resolution camera -- actually 3 cameras, one facing the user, the other two facing the back for 1x and 2x magnifications) and had been using my conventional camera less and less (size differences, though the phone has half the resolution as the camera sensor) and the camera has definite advantages in terms of manual controls option, interchangeable lenses, way more features and options, etc etc.

So will I give up either of the two. I think not! As they say one needs a hammer, screwdriver (and a saw, drill, sander, etc) for completing a creative project.

Oh, one thing more! I use my iphone with the fuji app, as a electronic remote control. A heavenly marriage made on earth! No question of any divorce at this time...!

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May 14, 2019 08:55:47   #
Jascott
 
Without a doubt I would recommend an LG phone. I had 2 LG4s and was upgraded to a
LG6 by when the 4 died by phone insurance.
I specifically bought the LG because of the high quality pics also the various photo modes is an added bonus from manual to 360 shots. Part of "my professional background" is photography and videography.
Definitely worth checking out... I would start with LG6 and any more recent models.

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Jun 11, 2019 10:45:05   #
lemontart Loc: uk
 
the best cellphone camera or best camera is the one you have with you at the precise moment of a shot

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Jun 11, 2019 13:40:35   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Longshadow wrote:
Haha - I've had my Samsung Galaxy S-III for over something like six years or so.
(It takes nice pictures.
Obviously I don't need the latest and greatest phone.)


Ditto... My S-III is all I need in a phone; I have to admit though, some of the latest are pretty good to just share selfies, if one is into his or her self...

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Jun 11, 2019 13:47:00   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
What you seem to be suggesting is making a camera with a built in phone, rather than the other way around. This has already been done a couple of times. Most notable was the Samsung K-zoom, which came out a few years ago, and has since been abandoned. It looked, felt, and handled like a point and shoot camera, and had a 10x optical zoom. While it could have been a real winner, due to Samsung's experience making both phones and cameras, its reviews were mostly lukewarm. Its image quality was only marginally better than the competition, due to its use of plastic lenses, and its overall performance as a telephone, was mediocre at best. IMHO, it should be tried again, using better optics and firmware. Include an electronic viewfinder an it would be a real game changer.
What you seem to be suggesting is making a camera ... (show quote)


I have been carping about this for YEARS.... At the very least lets use the LCD to view APPS that we download to the camera via the card slot ( 2 way slot ). Would you not like to have a DOF table at your disposal; or maybe a ND conversion chart ?

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