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Aug 21, 2012 12:04:33   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
docrob wrote:


First, very few women choose to have an abortion just cuz they don't want to carry a baby to term. Are there some? Sure but to paint all women with a broad brush isn't any different than me or you saying "all republicans are dimwits" based on the remarks of a few. Is it?

Secondly, if I recall in the story of your co-worker you said 3 (three)
women accused him of sexual harrassment. Had it been 1 woman it becomes his word against her's....but three women? All accusing your friend of sexual harrassment? In order for all three to be lying that makes a conspiracy - I think there are factors that you are not privy too and it's just easier to use this incident of an example of women and men behaving badly.
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Since Roe v Wade was passed into law there have been an estimated 50 million abortions. Would you suggest that they were all the result of rape? Actually the statistics indicate that the average abortion is performed on a woman between 20 and 29 who has never been married. The vast majority are white or black and 12% have had a previous abortion. I don't care why a woman wants an abortion. I care that they expect me and you to pay for it. Except for rape victims, abortion is an entirely voluntary act. Fine, let them pay for it not us. Who pays for it should be the only concern of the people in Congress that made it legal.

As far as my friend goes: Yes, it was three women. Three intelligent women who were good friends, drinking buddies. They used your logic that if it came from only one it would be ignored but three has to mean something. They confessed this to me over drinks while we were exchanging dirty jokes. I never claimed to be an expert in how women think but you may be even more inept than me in that department.

I am not the only one on this board that can relate this tale. I also have no reason to make it up. It happened, it is history. It is also a common story and the reason anyone questions a woman when she says she was raped.

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Aug 21, 2012 12:06:32   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
marcomarks wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
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The man simply spoke his mind. It is up to his constituents to approve with his position. He is a man of great faith and strong religious beliefs how dare YOU castigate him for speaking his mind.
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LOL RixPix, The man is an idiot, his words probably belie his deeper thoughts that if abortion is ok in cases of rape that women will make false claims of rape in order to have an abortion... this may or not be what was in his mind, but the fact that he said what he said, that if it is a "legitimate rape".. what the hell is that???? Is that like a "Righteous Rape" and then goes on to say something stupid about the womans body's ability to not conceive after forcible rape... He is an idiot, and does not deserve to represent the republican party... What's more is that the party is sending him that message loud and clear as I assure you there is pressure being applied as I write this to get him to withdraw from the race...
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He is speaking mind...he is speaking his constituent's mindset....YOU go outside in your neighborhood and ask about abortion...I know where you live in Florida...you will find more people that agree with him than not. He speaks for a portion of the Republican party's core voters there is no denying THAT fact. The Republican party wants these types of people voting for them...they may never take the actions that fulfill their promises to these voters but they want their vote. These are undeniable facts! The Democratic party is made of "others", the Republican Party is made of believers.
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LOL I know where I live better than you do and you make assumptions based solely on your bias and I would have to say bigotry... I also know where you live, and many of the issues that you believe and fight for are not so accepted by your own community...
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I am not laughing. It is interesting that you are laughing as I didn't say they were your beliefs. I said they were your communities beliefs and they core values of a large percentage of the Republican "Base". There's no denying this no matter how Republican's play to the masses they do not represent the views of the majority of people in this country. These little incidents of Republican elected officials speaking their mind can very disconcerting to oligarchs such as yourself. This association with fundamentalists such as this Congressman soils everyone in the party no matter regardless of whether you agree with the position or not. That's the beauty of politics....it reminds me of that old Italian movie La Cage Aux Folles...the head of the conservative party is caught with a whore and the rest of the party feels the effects. The Republican party has a long way to go to put this behind them. I can't wait to see what happens next to either party it certainly not a boring election cycle.
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Conservatives are not as monolithic as you assume... they are hardly different than are democrats in that there is a broad variance on their political thought. The one thing that conservatives agree on is that the federal government has become to large, inefficient, and that it should be reigned in instead of expanding its power and foot print in the economy.. In my opinion you make the mistake of placing to much import on the religious right and the most ardent of the Tea Party folks... they themselves are not in agreement on many of the issues but they have been successful in finding a voice that as individuals 5 years ago they did not have.. Not all conservatives agree on abortion, or even gay marriage for that matter, but if you were to listen to the media, or read MM or Huffpo.. you would think that conservatives are all bible thumping cavemen who would like nothing better than to oppress our fellow citizens.. nothing is further from the truth, we just want to see fiscal sanity and to be left alone by the government and don't see that as so much to ask for as it is really representative of the principles that this country was founded on... Now liberals however, and this is only my impression, have an internal struggle, where conservatives view issues in terms of individual rights and freedoms, liberals fight for societal rights and freedoms and the necessity of government to impose those on our society... ie gay marriage and amnesty for the undocumented, heck an undocumented here in this country is better protected from the courts than a regular citizen is these days in many communities. Liberals see a need for a larger role for government in our society, and how does this manifest itself? Once in office they go about finding causes to champion and ills to cure, resulting in more and more legislation, more and more resources being devoted to this cause and that cause, this project or that project, all ending in less and less personal freedoms for individuals and businesses, and more and more need for an expanded tax base and increased revenues to the government which is actually just another way of transferring a larger portion of our economy and its control over to the government... This will be the ongoing fight until the day that the progressive element of the democratic party finally prevails and is able to impose its economic and social vision on the country.... This struggle has been going on for 150 years in this country and little by little progressives make their gains that are rarely turned back... they come into and out of power so this is not a steady progression but it is not new..

I just don't buy your characterization of conservatives or of the republican party, nor do I buy your characterization of our society as a whole when you say that the majority of the country thinks as you do... it is natural for people to think that they are in the majority, especially when in today's world so much of the media and information sources are sympathetic to your point of view, but that does not mean that you are correct in that assumption, there does exist a silent majority in this country and thank goodness that they are not so consumed by politics as are you and I that they would be sharing their thoughts on political threads like this one... they still see the country much the same as they have always seen this country and they have not drawn the lines in the sand that you and I have.. They will vote with the gut feelings and I think that they still see the country as not in need of much of the change that the progressive agenda is pressing for.. but that is only my opinion... we will see not only in this up coming election, but in the years that follow, how the mood of the country ebbs back and forth and where it finally settles.
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Liberals are NOT the majority of this country. I have no clue where RixPix would get that idea. One can just look at the blue and red map of the states and see that such a statement is not valid.

The majority of Harry Reid's state voted against him and he would have lost... until they counted high concentration Reno and Las Vegas where special interest unionized casino workers voted for him as demanded by their union leadership. That's the only reason he won.

Reagan, on the other hand, won re-election by such a huge landslide that his opponent didn't even win his own home state. That was the Republican silent MAJORITY coming out to ensure the economic growth we were having at the time would continue and a Liberal candidate espousing "change" would not foul the nest in Washington for at least another 4 years. The silent majority has not changed and are still Conservative Republican.

Liberals depend on uniting minorities and creating enough votes to over ride the true majority. Liberals are thus NOT a majority. Put a herd of very different minority groups with their own agendas together and it's quite a number. Promise them all the world and they fall right in line and vote for the Liberal candidate. Let the silent majority feel confident about their candidate so that they don't rise up and vote and the Liberals convince undecided voters that they have a better plan and it's feasible for that coalition of minorities to outvote the majority. Liberals tend to be aggressive and Conservatives tend to be passive. So Conservatives seem less visible and less acknowledged - thus the moniker "silent majority."

Liberals are the loudest squeaky wheels in the machine known as our U.S. society so Liberal government officials oil them with money, pork spending, and pushing through Liberal legislation to get their votes.

Liberals hope to achieve "progress" through changing things and there are lots of minority people who think their situation needs to be somehow changed although their situations are very different.

Liberal ideas of progress is typically not seen as a good thing by Conservatives and many "progressive" ideas end up harming more than they help. As I said elsewhere on another thread: Those who are "seen" seem to benefit by Liberal actions while the "unseen" suffer and lose more than was gained by the "seen."

Years ago I overheard a group of Liberal senior citizens talking loudly to each other at a breakfast restaurant about how they wanted interest rates in the U.S. to double or triple so they'd have more income on their investments. It didn't matter to them in the slightest that 20% interest or higher (money was about 8% from the Fed at that time) would completely stall the economy, stop the housing market dead, and throw the country into financial disaster - their only concern was doubling or tripling their PERSONAL investment income. They didn't at all recognize that prices of everything would double during a financial disaster like that and they'd lose everything they gained and more. That's how Liberals think - short term with blinders on concerning what the long term consequences of their actions are.

The reality is that America has a silent majority, the conservatives who stay mostly quiet, take the abuse and insults of loud-mouthed liberals, and then vote for fiscal responsibility and reduced government invasion of their lives.

As a side note, I find it humorous that Daytona Beach could be considered a Conservative Republican stronghold in Florida when it has served for decades as Sodom & Gomorrah for up to 400,000 wild bikers, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of hormone-poisoned sexaholic drunken Spring Break college kids, Black Biker Week, millions dragging their kegs in RVs to NASCAR races, and all the other morally-bankrupt week-long activities that take place there.

If Daytona Beach is majority Conservative Republican they certainly do a fine job of masking it. Then again, maybe they're the "rich getting richer" business owners profiting enormously from morally-deficient Liberals. That would make sense.
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Excellent idea and a tremendously valuable and no doubt equally valid reference point and source for reliable data.......using a color coded map of the US created by the media during the Bush years. Yep. Damn Molly I told ya them thar red states were filled with conservatives and them thar blue states nothing but commie loving pot smoking liberals!

Yes, there is a santa claus - I saw him at Macy's. Try an prove otherwise.

Alot of what you said makes some sense but doesn't go far enough in the analysis. WHen you heard those senior citizens talking - you thought "oh more liberals." I think "oh human greed."

When you refer to the "silent majority" you miss how that term came to be in the first place. The term "silent majority" was adopted in response to Rev Falwell's call for a "moral majority," way back when - oh gosh way back when Christianity of the especially onerous sort known as fundamentalism first started to become a player in national politics.........

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Aug 21, 2012 12:10:20   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
PhotoGator wrote:
Bazamac wrote:
I kind of thought that the 'he's just speaking his mind' comments amounted to some sort of defence of Akin. Hence my response. If you thought otherwise, fair enough. But, really, someone in his position should be taking more responsibility to ensure that what he says doesn't just pander to ignorance and blind prejudice. I'm glad that the Republican party is seeking to distance itself from him - tho I suspect that his views are shared by others in that party (not all, but some) and that this is more to do with political expedience than conviction. But that's just my opinion and I certainly wouldn't claim that it's fact. I'll be interested to see what position on abortion (particularly relating to victims of rape) the Republicans take into the forthcoming election, however.
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Is Joe "Blablabla" Biden taking responsability on his remark warning blacks that Republicans will place us back in chains?
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Funny, I heard Joe "Blablabla" talking about Wall Street and the Banks putting us ALL back in chains....and the funny thing is - he doesn't know they already have ALL of us in chains.

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Aug 21, 2012 12:10:25   #
Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller
 
RixPix wrote:
pbearperry wrote:
So one fool makes a stupid statement and all the other Republicans must be the same?Something is wrong with this logic,but it seems it is the norm lately.


First and foremost let's agree that the Representative spoke his TRUE feelings on the issue. He is a religious man and as such has specific beliefs. It is his absolute right as a citizen of this country to speak his mind, just like Joe Biden and Joe the Plumber. The fact that his belief is so strong and that it is counter to what others believe is of no consequence other than the fact that he is an elected official. It is up to HIS constituents to either approve or disapprove with his position that has to due with his duties as their representative.
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Excellent Reply!

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Aug 21, 2012 12:11:23   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
The term "legitimate" was in reference to a victim's claim, not the act itself. No one would characterize any rape as "legitimate". He should have said "in true cases of rape..." or something to that effect. Any discussion about whether Rep. Akin believes rape could ever be legitimate is a deliberate attempt to twist his words for political gain. One would think this is obvious.

On the other hand, he then alluded to the affect acute stress can have on ovulation and possibly implantation. We can all agree that he was way out of line by implying that pregnancy as a result of alleged rape is a reason to question the veracity of the victim, or to rely on physiology alone to prevent pregnancy in rape. This was not a poor choice of words; it was a serious error in judgment, a misapplication of science in matters of law, and something he knows almost nothing about.

To argue that Rep. Akin implied that rape could ever be legitimate looks like an attempt to slander a candidate with the stakes as high as they are in this election cycle. Rather, I would question his ability to organize his thoughts and distinguish issues more than I would any position he takes.

By looking at this story objectively I know I give myself away polotically. I believe life begins at conception, as is taught in every medical school in the world, but also that in some cases hard choices have to be made where a life may have to be taken intentionally due to grave errors on the part of others (national defense, self-defense, crimes of passion, etc.)

I defend Rep. Akin on his intention to differentiate legitimate cases of rape from feigned accusations, but I cannot defend his misuse of science to infer what should be done in tragic cases of rape pregnancy. It's much too serious a topic to make weak stretches like that to defend his position, apology or not.

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Aug 21, 2012 12:11:56   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
docrob wrote:
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
skip549 wrote:
How many times has women called rape when it wasn't true?


how many times have men said "she didn't fight me" when on the witness stand?


A coworker had a sexual discrimination charge filed against him a couple of years ago by three women in our company. My question to the women was a simple one " He told an off color joke. I do that all the time so why did you file against him and not me or the other guys?" The answer was "We don't like him." Just the filing destroyed his career.

There is the problem with all of these types of discussions.
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shit happens but he at least your friend didn't have to carry a baby conceived in violence anger and hate full term then nurse it, love it, raise it.......did he
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I never said I condoned rape and would want to see a women bear a child of rape. I will say that the laws regarding abortion are "settled law". I do not agree that a woman should be able to abort a child just because she wants to and then the public is obligated to pay for it. I can't believe you feel that is right.

I would also suggest that if you were someone who had your career destroyed just because some twit did not like the way you look: your "shit happens" remark would be totally unacceptable.
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First, very few women choose to have an abortion just cuz they don't want to carry a baby to term. Are there some? Sure but to paint all women with a broad brush isn't any different than me or you saying "all republicans are dimwits" based on the remarks of a few. Is it?

Secondly, if I recall in the story of your co-worker you said 3 (three)
women accused him of sexual harrassment. Had it been 1 woman it becomes his word against her's....but three women? All accusing your friend of sexual harrassment? In order for all three to be lying that makes a conspiracy - I think there are factors that you are not privy too and it's just easier to use this incident of an example of women and men behaving badly.
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1. "very few women choose to have an abortion just cuz they don't want to carry a baby to term." WHAT? If it is not rape, incest, or potential death of the mother, what other singular reason is there to have an abortion? TO NOT CARRY THE BABY TO TERM! Thousands of babies are aborted every day because it would be "inconvenient to carry a baby to term" at this time in the mother's life, or there's nobody to act as father so she doesn't want "to carry his baby to term" or any number of lame convenience issue excuses why the mother DOES NOT WANT TO CARRY THE BABY TO TERM. You can't possibly think otherwise.

2. I'm not following the sexual harassment part of this, but I'll say it's totally possible that it's a conspiracy among 3 women. Have we forgotten high school girls who ruin a high school teacher with fake stories to "get him back" for bad grades? Have we forgotten child care centers put out of business and the owners jailed because children were coached into testifying to things that never happen? Have we forgotten Clarence Thomas who was publicly crucified for sexual harassment with no proof except one woman's word and a supposed pubic hair on a Coke can? Have we forgotten a sex crimes cop arresting 47 people in a small town and ruining their lives for sex crimes committed with minors who were all finally released because he had no evidence and coerced confessions out of them with cruel interrogation and coerced testimonies out of children with intimidation until his own step-daughter testified against him and he was fired?

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Aug 21, 2012 12:13:26   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
Retina wrote:
The term "legitimate" was in reference to a victim's claim, not the act itself. No one would characterize any rape as "legitimate". He should have said "in true cases of rape..." or something to that effect. Any discussion about whether Rep. Akin believes rape could ever be legitimate is a deliberate attempt to twist his words for political gain. One would think this is obvious.

On the other hand, he then alluded to the affect acute stress can have on ovulation and possibly implantation. We can all agree that he was way out of line by implying that pregnancy as a result of alleged rape is a reason to question the veracity of the victim, or to rely on physiology alone to prevent pregnancy in rape. This was not a poor choice of words; it was a serious error in judgment, a misapplication of science in matters of law, and something he knows almost nothing about.

To argue that Rep. Akin implied that rape could ever be legitimate looks like an attempt to slander a candidate with the stakes as high as they are in this election cycle. Rather, I would question his ability to organize his thoughts and distinguish issues more than I would any position he takes.

By looking at this story objectively I know I give myself away polotically. I believe life begins at conception, as is taught in every medical school in the world, but also that in some cases hard choices have to be made where a life may have to be taken intentionally due to grave errors on the part of others (national defense, self-defense, crimes of passion, etc.)

I defend Rep. Akin on his intention to differentiate legitimate cases of rape from feigned accusations, but I cannot defend his misuse of science to infer what should be done in tragic cases of rape pregnancy. It's much too serious a topic to make weak stretches like that to defend his position, apology or not.
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Aug 21, 2012 12:23:44   #
FOTOSTAN Loc: Ca..NYC..Fla.
 
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
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"You can't push off one dumbass .....etc", Oh, yes you can..

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Aug 21, 2012 12:29:12   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
Sorry, I have no idea. But I'm not sure I see the relevance anyway. This is about an ignorant, bible-blinded man's appalling comments about rape and pregnancy. I never mentioned Joe Biden and have no idea what he is supposed to have said - if he said something stupid and inappropriate then he should know better and take responsibility.

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Aug 21, 2012 12:38:37   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Bazamac wrote:
Sorry, I have no idea. But I'm not sure I see the relevance anyway. This is about an ignorant, bible-blinded man's appalling comments about rape and pregnancy. I never mentioned Joe Biden and have no idea what he is supposed to have said - if he said something stupid and inappropriate then he should know better and take responsibility.


It sarted out as you say " about an ignorant, bible-blinded man's appalling comments about rape and pregnancy." and quickly morphed into the liberals painting every Republican as " about an ignorant, bible-blinded man's appalling comments about rape and pregnancy." The libs have a problem keeping on topic. All the rest of the posts are the Republicans playing defense.

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Aug 21, 2012 12:54:04   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Here's how the Left thinks:
"Ive been to all 57 states except Alaska" Brillant
"What me worry?" - Oblame-O
Al Sharpton - black on black, OK. Black on white, OK. White on black , you're a racist!
Barney Franks - the biggest most incopmetant OS in the government.
Harry Ried - I will stop, in the senate, any and all bills put forth by congress,
Then blame them for not doing their job and you WILL believe
me!
BLACKS for OBAMA, Racist - OH no, Only whites can be racist.
Black Caucus - see above
Oh No, this is what he or she said!
Oh no, He or she meant to say this!
Oh No, you misunderstood him or she!
Oh No, they took it out of Context!
So lets read the whole thing, yup, that's what he or she said.
Debbie Wasserman shultz - a 1% 'er who has bank accounts in India (?) why IIndia?, two houses worth over a million $$ - The MAD DOG of the Left
Howard Dean - a bigger wiener than Weiner

And it goes on and on, don't complain, YOU voted them in!

So tell me " Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

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Aug 21, 2012 13:03:08   #
Lancer W/A Canon Loc: atlanta
 
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
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Now who's putting everyone in one barrel ? I thought you knew better than that .

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Aug 21, 2012 13:07:28   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
marcomarks wrote:
docrob wrote:
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
skip549 wrote:
How many times has women called rape when it wasn't true?


how many times have men said "she didn't fight me" when on the witness stand?


A coworker had a sexual discrimination charge filed against him a couple of years ago by three women in our company. My question to the women was a simple one " He told an off color joke. I do that all the time so why did you file against him and not me or the other guys?" The answer was "We don't like him." Just the filing destroyed his career.

There is the problem with all of these types of discussions.
quote=docrob quote=skip549 How many times has wo... (show quote)


shit happens but he at least your friend didn't have to carry a baby conceived in violence anger and hate full term then nurse it, love it, raise it.......did he
quote=ted45 quote=docrob quote=skip549 How many... (show quote)


I never said I condoned rape and would want to see a women bear a child of rape. I will say that the laws regarding abortion are "settled law". I do not agree that a woman should be able to abort a child just because she wants to and then the public is obligated to pay for it. I can't believe you feel that is right.

I would also suggest that if you were someone who had your career destroyed just because some twit did not like the way you look: your "shit happens" remark would be totally unacceptable.
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First, very few women choose to have an abortion just cuz they don't want to carry a baby to term. Are there some? Sure but to paint all women with a broad brush isn't any different than me or you saying "all republicans are dimwits" based on the remarks of a few. Is it?

Secondly, if I recall in the story of your co-worker you said 3 (three)
women accused him of sexual harrassment. Had it been 1 woman it becomes his word against her's....but three women? All accusing your friend of sexual harrassment? In order for all three to be lying that makes a conspiracy - I think there are factors that you are not privy too and it's just easier to use this incident of an example of women and men behaving badly.
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1. "very few women choose to have an abortion just cuz they don't want to carry a baby to term." WHAT? If it is not rape, incest, or potential death of the mother, what other singular reason is there to have an abortion? TO NOT CARRY THE BABY TO TERM! Thousands of babies are aborted every day because it would be "inconvenient to carry a baby to term" at this time in the mother's life, or there's nobody to act as father so she doesn't want "to carry his baby to term" or any number of lame convenience issue excuses why the mother DOES NOT WANT TO CARRY THE BABY TO TERM. You can't possibly think otherwise.

2. I'm not following the sexual harassment part of this, but I'll say it's totally possible that it's a conspiracy among 3 women. Have we forgotten high school girls who ruin a high school teacher with fake stories to "get him back" for bad grades? Have we forgotten child care centers put out of business and the owners jailed because children were coached into testifying to things that never happen? Have we forgotten Clarence Thomas who was publicly crucified for sexual harassment with no proof except one woman's word and a supposed pubic hair on a Coke can? Have we forgotten a sex crimes cop arresting 47 people in a small town and ruining their lives for sex crimes committed with minors who were all finally released because he had no evidence and coerced confessions out of them with cruel interrogation and coerced testimonies out of children with intimidation until his own step-daughter testified against him and he was fired?
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Here's the rub. We are both men. We cannot possibly understand the experience of being female, and what its like to live every day with the real possibility of being subjected to rape, violence, and other kinds of physical and emotional abuse, that women live with on a daily basis. So for either of us to say we know what is in a woman's best interest is bullshit.

That said, bottom line here is you tend to see people in less than noble ways. You seem more willing to judge women (humans) and to point out our mutual human flaws and comment on our human potential to lie, cheat, steal, rob, kill, rape, torture, etc. All that is noted and has been so since Moses found the tablets. Of course men - in their often blind lust to possess and dominate the objects of their desire - are more prone to commit sex crimes then women.......and when caught claim: "it was her fault - she made me do it" or "she shouldn't have worn that dress - she was just asking for it."

I stand by what I said - I believe women take this decision quite seriously, and that far more than you or I can ever know - they understand mothering and mother hood and what it's demands are on their bodies, their lives, their spirits and given all that most women do not use abortion as birth control.

Secondly, since we are men and it does require a man to make a woman pregnant but only the woman is charged with the responsibilities of taking care of that child, only the woman has to endure rather massive and dramatic changes to her body, her energies, her moods & emotions, her occupation, her social life. Us men, we don't. We get a free ride on that score too. So when you or some other man says something like "she doesn't want "to carry his baby to term" or any number of lame convenience issue excuses," as you did that can only mean that either you are not thinking of what the woman's experience is like or you are a cold blooded reptile or politician and don't care to know as long as it does not inconvenience you.

In your discussion your sexism shows when you said "or there's nobody to act as the father" but still "so she doesn't want "to carry his baby to term" is not an inconvenience but rather a mere triffling.

So, anyway I hear scientists have discovered what could be a male birth control pill. Are you willing to take it? Would you require employers to pay the insurance for male contraceptives?

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Aug 21, 2012 13:13:59   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
docrob wrote:
marcomarks wrote:
docrob wrote:
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
skip549 wrote:
How many times has women called rape when it wasn't true?


how many times have men said "she didn't fight me" when on the witness stand?


A coworker had a sexual discrimination charge filed against him a couple of years ago by three women in our company. My question to the women was a simple one " He told an off color joke. I do that all the time so why did you file against him and not me or the other guys?" The answer was "We don't like him." Just the filing destroyed his career.

There is the problem with all of these types of discussions.
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shit happens but he at least your friend didn't have to carry a baby conceived in violence anger and hate full term then nurse it, love it, raise it.......did he
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I never said I condoned rape and would want to see a women bear a child of rape. I will say that the laws regarding abortion are "settled law". I do not agree that a woman should be able to abort a child just because she wants to and then the public is obligated to pay for it. I can't believe you feel that is right.

I would also suggest that if you were someone who had your career destroyed just because some twit did not like the way you look: your "shit happens" remark would be totally unacceptable.
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First, very few women choose to have an abortion just cuz they don't want to carry a baby to term. Are there some? Sure but to paint all women with a broad brush isn't any different than me or you saying "all republicans are dimwits" based on the remarks of a few. Is it?

Secondly, if I recall in the story of your co-worker you said 3 (three)
women accused him of sexual harrassment. Had it been 1 woman it becomes his word against her's....but three women? All accusing your friend of sexual harrassment? In order for all three to be lying that makes a conspiracy - I think there are factors that you are not privy too and it's just easier to use this incident of an example of women and men behaving badly.
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1. "very few women choose to have an abortion just cuz they don't want to carry a baby to term." WHAT? If it is not rape, incest, or potential death of the mother, what other singular reason is there to have an abortion? TO NOT CARRY THE BABY TO TERM! Thousands of babies are aborted every day because it would be "inconvenient to carry a baby to term" at this time in the mother's life, or there's nobody to act as father so she doesn't want "to carry his baby to term" or any number of lame convenience issue excuses why the mother DOES NOT WANT TO CARRY THE BABY TO TERM. You can't possibly think otherwise.

2. I'm not following the sexual harassment part of this, but I'll say it's totally possible that it's a conspiracy among 3 women. Have we forgotten high school girls who ruin a high school teacher with fake stories to "get him back" for bad grades? Have we forgotten child care centers put out of business and the owners jailed because children were coached into testifying to things that never happen? Have we forgotten Clarence Thomas who was publicly crucified for sexual harassment with no proof except one woman's word and a supposed pubic hair on a Coke can? Have we forgotten a sex crimes cop arresting 47 people in a small town and ruining their lives for sex crimes committed with minors who were all finally released because he had no evidence and coerced confessions out of them with cruel interrogation and coerced testimonies out of children with intimidation until his own step-daughter testified against him and he was fired?
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Here's the rub. We are both men. We cannot possibly understand the experience of being female, and what its like to live every day with the real possibility of being subjected to rape, violence, and other kinds of physical and emotional abuse, that women live with on a daily basis. So for either of us to say we know what is in a woman's best interest is bullshit.

That said, bottom line here is you tend to see people in less than noble ways. You seem more willing to judge women (humans) and to point out our mutual human flaws and comment on our human potential to lie, cheat, steal, rob, kill, rape, torture, etc. All that is noted and has been so since Moses found the tablets. Of course men - in their often blind lust to possess and dominate the objects of their desire - are more prone to commit sex crimes then women.......and when caught claim: "it was her fault - she made me do it" or "she shouldn't have worn that dress - she was just asking for it."

I stand by what I said - I believe women take this decision quite seriously, and that far more than you or I can ever know - they understand mothering and mother hood and what it's demands are on their bodies, their lives, their spirits and given all that most women do not use abortion as birth control.

Secondly, since we are men and it does require a man to make a woman pregnant but only the woman is charged with the responsibilities of taking care of that child, only the woman has to endure rather massive and dramatic changes to her body, her energies, her moods & emotions, her occupation, her social life. Us men, we don't. We get a free ride on that score too. So when you or some other man says something like "she doesn't want "to carry his baby to term" or any number of lame convenience issue excuses," as you did that can only mean that either you are not thinking of what the woman's experience is like or you are a cold blooded reptile or politician and don't care to know as long as it does not inconvenience you.

In your discussion your sexism shows when you said "or there's nobody to act as the father" but still "so she doesn't want "to carry his baby to term" is not an inconvenience but rather a mere triffling. Only its not a triffling to her - dude. It's her life that is going to be radically and irrevocably changed. Yeah they screwed - they both like it - its fun.
Sex feels good - we all do it - only when it comes to the fruits of our passion - men can get a pass - women are on the train for ever.....and you speak of inconveniences.

So, anyway I hear scientists have discovered what could be a male birth control pill. Are you willing to take it? Would you require employers to pay the insurance for male contraceptives?
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Aug 21, 2012 13:15:56   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
ted45 wrote:
tschmath wrote:
SteveR wrote:
RixPix wrote:
SteveR wrote:
gmcase wrote:
And they defend Biden. Go figure. The hypocrisy is stifling at times.


Did you notice how many people said, "there's not a racist bone in Joe Biden's body." It's amazing how many Democrats came up with the same line at the same time!! If I didn't know better I'd think it was scripted. But if it was scripted I couldn't really believe it now, could I?


WTF does this have to do with Biden? He's the Democrats problem. The Republicans' problem is that they can't keep all their clowns in the car. Sometimes they get out and then the media circus becomes a three-ring extravaganza.
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Sorry....you set this up...The problem with the Democrats' clown is that he's the Vice President.
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Great tactic. You have no answer to the topic, so you change the subject. This thread was not about Joe Biden. It was about the reprehensible attitude of the Republican Party as represented by the comments of a complete moron. But who cares about that when you can change the subject and get in a zinger at the vice president?
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SteveR did not change the subject. You Democrats want to paint the entire Republican Party as having the same "reprehensible attitude ". Before the end of the day you will be referring to the Tea Party and the Conservatives in the same way. Biden makes really racist remarks, all the time; Clinton is impeached for his actions against women, lying to Congress, sighted for contempt for lying to a judge during his trial for attempted rape, accused by multiple women for groping them, Kennedy kills a woman, Hank Jonhson declares if we increase the number of personnel on Guam it could tip over, and on and on.

Todd Akin makes a really stupid comment and that is "about the reprehensible attitude of the Republican Party ". Akin has apologized many times and acknowledged his mistake. Which one of the above mentioned Democrats offered an apology for their stupid actions? I can't tell, between tschmath and greymule, who has the thickest skull. Maybe tschmath can use his math skills to compute how much denser the average Democrat skull is than a block of concrete.

The man doesn’t agree with abortion on demand, a CEO doesn’t agree with gay marriage, I don’t agree with taking advantage of an employee in the Oval Office or the President of the United States lying almost every time he opens his mouth. Again you Democrats want us to understand that any attitude that is different than yours indicates a lack of intelligence and membership in some sub-human species.

Here's a flash: a great many Americans don't approve of abortion on demand or gay marriage or banning Christian children from praying or talking about their God in school while other religions can spread their prayer rugs and have at it. A great number of us are fed up with being called racist if we disagree with the President while the Vice-President joyfully travels about the country making stupid racist comments with impunity. Everyone I know is fed up with the Democrat condescending attitude that they are so much smarter than everyone else. Keep crying “let them eat cake” and see where it goes.
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I have no desire or inclination to "paint" the Republican party. The Republican party is the minority party in terms of registered members in the country. Therefore they must attract individuals in order to validate their existence. They do a very good job of attracting people the question is what kind of people do they attract? The Representative from Missouri is a good example of a loyal Republican. He has high moral values, speaks well and works toward the mutually agreed goals of his party. His attitudes towards key issues in the Republican party are a bit intense and his inability to refrain from free expression of his beliefs has led to this point in his career.

My comments regarding this elected official are very clear and I thought concise. He believes very strongly in limiting access to abortions. The Republican party's goal is to end the right to abortion in this country according to their published platform. He is following his heart and his party's ideals. If you don't agree with this man and live in Missouri don't vote for him. If you agree with this man and live in Missouri then vote for him. I don't live in Missouri so I couldn't care less...he's THEIR problem.

If you ask me my opinion I believe on this man's beliefs I believe he is wrong. However, I also believe that any restriction of reproductive rights is unconstitutional.

Like I said I have no desire to paint the Republican party they are doing that themselves based on their position on social issues. Social issues are really meaningless when it comes right down to operation of effective government. To bog the system down with such drivel is counterproductive.

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