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Aug 21, 2012 10:17:14   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
skip549 wrote:
How many times has women called rape when it wasn't true?


how many times have men said "she didn't fight me" when on the witness stand?


A coworker had a sexual discrimination charge filed against him a couple of years ago by three women in our company. My question to the women was a simple one " He told an off color joke. I do that all the time so why did you file against him and not me or the other guys?" The answer was "We don't like him." Just the filing destroyed his career.

There is the problem with all of these types of discussions.
quote=docrob quote=skip549 How many times has wo... (show quote)


shit happens but he at least your friend didn't have to carry a baby conceived in violence anger and hate full term then nurse it, love it, raise it.......did he

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Aug 21, 2012 10:24:04   #
micro Loc: Texas
 
marcomarks wrote:


Don't blame this on Republicans. It is NOT the stance of Republicans on the subject. The whole Republican party, as well as the Romney campaign, have all come out against this idiot and his extreme statements. The Republican party is "asking" but actually demanding that he remove himself from his re-election race so someone with more sense takes his place.

It's so wildly wrong for anyone to say that it almost tops Biden telling blacks in a bad southern accent that Republicans are going to put "y'all" back in chains.
quote=greymule It's quite amazing how little Repu... (show quote)


The Republican Platform, now being drwfted, will include outlawing abortion even for rape and incest!!!! Blame the party!

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Aug 21, 2012 10:29:53   #
PhotoGator Loc: Florida
 
marcomarks wrote:


Don't blame this on Republicans. It is NOT the stance of Republicans on the subject. The whole Republican party, as well as the Romney campaign, have all come out against this idiot and his extreme statements. The Republican party is "asking" but actually demanding that he remove himself from his re-election race so someone with more sense takes his place.

It's so wildly wrong for anyone to say that it almost tops Biden telling blacks in a bad southern accent that Republicans are going to put "y'all" back in chains.
quote=greymule It's quite amazing how little Repu... (show quote)


Democratic Representative from Orlando, Florida said:
"The Republicans want you to die quickly"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPpQ2MNaSDo

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/09/democratic-rep-republicans-want-you-to-die-quickly/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/09/30/dem-congressman-republicans-want-you-die-quickly-what-will-civility-crow

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Aug 21, 2012 10:35:30   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
It's astonishing sometimes the contortions and distortions some people will go through to justify the unjustifiable. Akin was 'just speaking his mind' apparently. But let's look at what he said - he claimed that pregnancy resulting from rape is rare and that 'if it's a legitimate rape [and what's the difference between 'legitimate' and 'illegitimate' rape, anyway?]the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down'. That's not an opinion, not 'speaking his mind', it's a scientific claim and, guess what, it's not true! Well not according to available evidence, anyway. If Akin can point to any genuine evidence please let him do so. Until such time he is either ignorant and should shut up until he acquaints himself with the facts, or he's a liar. He's obviously a bright man, so my money's on the latter. Either way, no decent human being should feel able to defend him, let alone vote for him.

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Aug 21, 2012 10:38:41   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
RixPix...Let us agree that what he said was medically WRONG. Also, his statement was 100% in agreement with repub actions and policy.

The republicans spend more time in women's underwear than women do.

It is just catching up...tom

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Aug 21, 2012 10:40:42   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
docrob wrote:
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
skip549 wrote:
How many times has women called rape when it wasn't true?


how many times have men said "she didn't fight me" when on the witness stand?


A coworker had a sexual discrimination charge filed against him a couple of years ago by three women in our company. My question to the women was a simple one " He told an off color joke. I do that all the time so why did you file against him and not me or the other guys?" The answer was "We don't like him." Just the filing destroyed his career.

There is the problem with all of these types of discussions.
quote=docrob quote=skip549 How many times has wo... (show quote)


shit happens but he at least your friend didn't have to carry a baby conceived in violence anger and hate full term then nurse it, love it, raise it.......did he
quote=ted45 quote=docrob quote=skip549 How many... (show quote)


I never said I condoned rape and would want to see a women bear a child of rape. I will say that the laws regarding abortion are "settled law". I do not agree that a woman should be able to abort a child just because she wants to and then the public is obligated to pay for it. I can't believe you feel that is right.

I would also suggest that if you were someone who had your career destroyed just because some twit did not like the way you look: your "shit happens" remark would be totally unacceptable.

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Aug 21, 2012 10:41:27   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazamac wrote:
It's astonishing sometimes the contortions and distortions some people will go through to justify the unjustifiable. Akin was 'just speaking his mind' apparently. But let's look at what he said - he claimed that pregnancy resulting from rape is rare and that 'if it's a legitimate rape [and what's the difference between 'legitimate' and 'illegitimate' rape, anyway?]the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down'. That's not an opinion, not 'speaking his mind', it's a scientific claim and, guess what, it's not true! Well not according to available evidence, anyway. If Akin can point to any genuine evidence please let him do so. Until such time he is either ignorant and should shut up until he acquaints himself with the facts, or he's a liar. He's obviously a bright man, so my money's on the latter. Either way, no decent human being should feel able to defend him, let alone vote for him.
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I haven't seen anyone here trying to defend Atkin or his comments, but rather the left trying to paint the republican party with the broad brush that are Atkins comments. I agree, the man is ill educated and certainly shows a lack of common sense and judgement, we don't need him in the Senate and there is a strong push by the republican party to cast him aside... He has already been informed by the RNC and by Crossroads that any funding that may have been available to his campaign has been pulled. They also sent him a clear message that he should suspend his campaign as of today.

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Aug 21, 2012 11:22:42   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
I kind of thought that the 'he's just speaking his mind' comments amounted to some sort of defence of Akin. Hence my response. If you thought otherwise, fair enough. But, really, someone in his position should be taking more responsibility to ensure that what he says doesn't just pander to ignorance and blind prejudice. I'm glad that the Republican party is seeking to distance itself from him - tho I suspect that his views are shared by others in that party (not all, but some) and that this is more to do with political expedience than conviction. But that's just my opinion and I certainly wouldn't claim that it's fact. I'll be interested to see what position on abortion (particularly relating to victims of rape) the Republicans take into the forthcoming election, however.

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Aug 21, 2012 11:23:45   #
CAM1017 Loc: Chiloquin, Oregon
 


Actually it does not surprise me at all! :roll:

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Aug 21, 2012 11:24:15   #
gsrunyan Loc: Aurora, CO
 
Remember folks:

The Constitution guarantees all fools their right to their STUPID opinions.

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Aug 21, 2012 11:24:36   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
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The man simply spoke his mind. It is up to his constituents to approve with his position. He is a man of great faith and strong religious beliefs how dare YOU castigate him for speaking his mind.
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LOL RixPix, The man is an idiot, his words probably belie his deeper thoughts that if abortion is ok in cases of rape that women will make false claims of rape in order to have an abortion... this may or not be what was in his mind, but the fact that he said what he said, that if it is a "legitimate rape".. what the hell is that???? Is that like a "Righteous Rape" and then goes on to say something stupid about the womans body's ability to not conceive after forcible rape... He is an idiot, and does not deserve to represent the republican party... What's more is that the party is sending him that message loud and clear as I assure you there is pressure being applied as I write this to get him to withdraw from the race...
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He is speaking mind...he is speaking his constituent's mindset....YOU go outside in your neighborhood and ask about abortion...I know where you live in Florida...you will find more people that agree with him than not. He speaks for a portion of the Republican party's core voters there is no denying THAT fact. The Republican party wants these types of people voting for them...they may never take the actions that fulfill their promises to these voters but they want their vote. These are undeniable facts! The Democratic party is made of "others", the Republican Party is made of believers.
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LOL I know where I live better than you do and you make assumptions based solely on your bias and I would have to say bigotry... I also know where you live, and many of the issues that you believe and fight for are not so accepted by your own community...
quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed quote=RixPix quo... (show quote)


I am not laughing. It is interesting that you are laughing as I didn't say they were your beliefs. I said they were your communities beliefs and they core values of a large percentage of the Republican "Base". There's no denying this no matter how Republican's play to the masses they do not represent the views of the majority of people in this country. These little incidents of Republican elected officials speaking their mind can very disconcerting to oligarchs such as yourself. This association with fundamentalists such as this Congressman soils everyone in the party no matter regardless of whether you agree with the position or not. That's the beauty of politics....it reminds me of that old Italian movie La Cage Aux Folles...the head of the conservative party is caught with a whore and the rest of the party feels the effects. The Republican party has a long way to go to put this behind them. I can't wait to see what happens next to either party it certainly not a boring election cycle.
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Conservatives are not as monolithic as you assume... they are hardly different than are democrats in that there is a broad variance on their political thought. The one thing that conservatives agree on is that the federal government has become to large, inefficient, and that it should be reigned in instead of expanding its power and foot print in the economy.. In my opinion you make the mistake of placing to much import on the religious right and the most ardent of the Tea Party folks... they themselves are not in agreement on many of the issues but they have been successful in finding a voice that as individuals 5 years ago they did not have.. Not all conservatives agree on abortion, or even gay marriage for that matter, but if you were to listen to the media, or read MM or Huffpo.. you would think that conservatives are all bible thumping cavemen who would like nothing better than to oppress our fellow citizens.. nothing is further from the truth, we just want to see fiscal sanity and to be left alone by the government and don't see that as so much to ask for as it is really representative of the principles that this country was founded on... Now liberals however, and this is only my impression, have an internal struggle, where conservatives view issues in terms of individual rights and freedoms, liberals fight for societal rights and freedoms and the necessity of government to impose those on our society... ie gay marriage and amnesty for the undocumented, heck an undocumented here in this country is better protected from the courts than a regular citizen is these days in many communities. Liberals see a need for a larger role for government in our society, and how does this manifest itself? Once in office they go about finding causes to champion and ills to cure, resulting in more and more legislation, more and more resources being devoted to this cause and that cause, this project or that project, all ending in less and less personal freedoms for individuals and businesses, and more and more need for an expanded tax base and increased revenues to the government which is actually just another way of transferring a larger portion of our economy and its control over to the government... This will be the ongoing fight until the day that the progressive element of the democratic party finally prevails and is able to impose its economic and social vision on the country.... This struggle has been going on for 150 years in this country and little by little progressives make their gains that are rarely turned back... they come into and out of power so this is not a steady progression but it is not new..

I just don't buy your characterization of conservatives or of the republican party, nor do I buy your characterization of our society as a whole when you say that the majority of the country thinks as you do... it is natural for people to think that they are in the majority, especially when in today's world so much of the media and information sources are sympathetic to your point of view, but that does not mean that you are correct in that assumption, there does exist a silent majority in this country and thank goodness that they are not so consumed by politics as are you and I that they would be sharing their thoughts on political threads like this one... they still see the country much the same as they have always seen this country and they have not drawn the lines in the sand that you and I have.. They will vote with the gut feelings and I think that they still see the country as not in need of much of the change that the progressive agenda is pressing for.. but that is only my opinion... we will see not only in this up coming election, but in the years that follow, how the mood of the country ebbs back and forth and where it finally settles.
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Liberals are NOT the majority of this country. I have no clue where RixPix would get that idea. One can just look at the blue and red map of the states and see that such a statement is not valid.

The majority of Harry Reid's state voted against him and he would have lost... until they counted high concentration Reno and Las Vegas where special interest unionized casino workers voted for him as demanded by their union leadership. That's the only reason he won.

Reagan, on the other hand, won re-election by such a huge landslide that his opponent didn't even win his own home state. That was the Republican silent MAJORITY coming out to ensure the economic growth we were having at the time would continue and a Liberal candidate espousing "change" would not foul the nest in Washington for at least another 4 years. The silent majority has not changed and are still Conservative Republican.

Liberals depend on uniting minorities and creating enough votes to over ride the true majority. Liberals are thus NOT a majority. Put a herd of very different minority groups with their own agendas together and it's quite a number. Promise them all the world and they fall right in line and vote for the Liberal candidate. Let the silent majority feel confident about their candidate so that they don't rise up and vote and the Liberals convince undecided voters that they have a better plan and it's feasible for that coalition of minorities to outvote the majority. Liberals tend to be aggressive and Conservatives tend to be passive. So Conservatives seem less visible and less acknowledged - thus the moniker "silent majority."

Liberals are the loudest squeaky wheels in the machine known as our U.S. society so Liberal government officials oil them with money, pork spending, and pushing through Liberal legislation to get their votes.

Liberals hope to achieve "progress" through changing things and there are lots of minority people who think their situation needs to be somehow changed although their situations are very different.

Liberal ideas of progress is typically not seen as a good thing by Conservatives and many "progressive" ideas end up harming more than they help. As I said elsewhere on another thread: Those who are "seen" seem to benefit by Liberal actions while the "unseen" suffer and lose more than was gained by the "seen."

Years ago I overheard a group of Liberal senior citizens talking loudly to each other at a breakfast restaurant about how they wanted interest rates in the U.S. to double or triple so they'd have more income on their investments. It didn't matter to them in the slightest that 20% interest or higher (money was about 8% from the Fed at that time) would completely stall the economy, stop the housing market dead, and throw the country into financial disaster - their only concern was doubling or tripling their PERSONAL investment income. They didn't at all recognize that prices of everything would double during a financial disaster like that and they'd lose everything they gained and more. That's how Liberals think - short term with blinders on concerning what the long term consequences of their actions are.

The reality is that America has a silent majority, the conservatives who stay mostly quiet, take the abuse and insults of loud-mouthed liberals, and then vote for fiscal responsibility and reduced government invasion of their lives.

As a side note, I find it humorous that Daytona Beach could be considered a Conservative Republican stronghold in Florida when it has served for decades as Sodom & Gomorrah for up to 400,000 wild bikers, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of hormone-poisoned sexaholic drunken Spring Break college kids, Black Biker Week, millions dragging their kegs in RVs to NASCAR races, and all the other morally-bankrupt week-long activities that take place there.

If Daytona Beach is majority Conservative Republican they certainly do a fine job of masking it. Then again, maybe they're the "rich getting richer" business owners profiting enormously from morally-deficient Liberals. That would make sense.

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Aug 21, 2012 11:27:16   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazamac wrote:
I kind of thought that the 'he's just speaking his mind' comments amounted to some sort of defence of Akin. Hence my response. If you thought otherwise, fair enough. But, really, someone in his position should be taking more responsibility to ensure that what he says doesn't just pander to ignorance and blind prejudice. I'm glad that the Republican party is seeking to distance itself from him - tho I suspect that his views are shared by others in that party (not all, but some) and that this is more to do with political expedience than conviction. But that's just my opinion and I certainly wouldn't claim that it's fact. I'll be interested to see what position on abortion (particularly relating to victims of rape) the Republicans take into the forthcoming election, however.
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The republicans if smart will do little more than voice their support for the sanctity of life...

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Aug 21, 2012 11:39:13   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
Well if they do, they can't complain if others press them to be a bit more specific, because that's just mumbo-jumbo to me!

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Aug 21, 2012 11:40:47   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
ted45 wrote:
docrob wrote:
skip549 wrote:
How many times has women called rape when it wasn't true?


how many times have men said "she didn't fight me" when on the witness stand?


A coworker had a sexual discrimination charge filed against him a couple of years ago by three women in our company. My question to the women was a simple one " He told an off color joke. I do that all the time so why did you file against him and not me or the other guys?" The answer was "We don't like him." Just the filing destroyed his career.

There is the problem with all of these types of discussions.
quote=docrob quote=skip549 How many times has wo... (show quote)


shit happens but he at least your friend didn't have to carry a baby conceived in violence anger and hate full term then nurse it, love it, raise it.......did he
quote=ted45 quote=docrob quote=skip549 How many... (show quote)


I never said I condoned rape and would want to see a women bear a child of rape. I will say that the laws regarding abortion are "settled law". I do not agree that a woman should be able to abort a child just because she wants to and then the public is obligated to pay for it. I can't believe you feel that is right.

I would also suggest that if you were someone who had your career destroyed just because some twit did not like the way you look: your "shit happens" remark would be totally unacceptable.
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First, very few women choose to have an abortion just cuz they don't want to carry a baby to term. Are there some? Sure but to paint all women with a broad brush isn't any different than me or you saying "all republicans are dimwits" based on the remarks of a few. Is it?

Secondly, if I recall in the story of your co-worker you said 3 (three)
women accused him of sexual harrassment. Had it been 1 woman it becomes his word against her's....but three women? All accusing your friend of sexual harrassment? In order for all three to be lying that makes a conspiracy - I think there are factors that you are not privy too and it's just easier to use this incident of an example of women and men behaving badly.

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Aug 21, 2012 12:02:28   #
PhotoGator Loc: Florida
 
Bazamac wrote:
I kind of thought that the 'he's just speaking his mind' comments amounted to some sort of defence of Akin. Hence my response. If you thought otherwise, fair enough. But, really, someone in his position should be taking more responsibility to ensure that what he says doesn't just pander to ignorance and blind prejudice. I'm glad that the Republican party is seeking to distance itself from him - tho I suspect that his views are shared by others in that party (not all, but some) and that this is more to do with political expedience than conviction. But that's just my opinion and I certainly wouldn't claim that it's fact. I'll be interested to see what position on abortion (particularly relating to victims of rape) the Republicans take into the forthcoming election, however.
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Is Joe "Blablabla" Biden taking responsability on his remark warning blacks that Republicans will place us back in chains?

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