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Apr 21, 2019 23:46:52   #
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The best advice I've read here so far is
these two things:

1. Curving the line for equal distances

2. Using a Distagon type lens

However there're many good lenses of
the Distagon design, you do NOT hafta
insist on Zeiss. But obviously you want
a first class lens cuz the details will be
rendered quite small in the image that
you've described.

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FWIW and TWIMC, the next time that
I face a similar task, my first choice is
my Tamron 45SP. It's a Distagon type,
has no visible distortion, no center hot
spotting, very sharp, no flare, etc, etc.
But this is not amazing since it's not a
wide angle FL but it's built from a wide
angle design
[which results in a rather
huge lens for just a 45/1.8].

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Apr 22, 2019 06:16:30   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
Thanks E L Shapiro and Gene... Great advise. I haven't done large groups for some time and recently was asked to do so. I appreciate the wisdom...

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Apr 22, 2019 06:19:42   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
petego4it wrote:
Have to take a photo of 20 people in a line two deep. I know of course distortion depends on the lens but in general for a full frame camera, with a decent lens, how wide a focal range can one expect to work without notable distortion on the edges of the unfortunate persons placed there? Same Q 40 people also 2 deep?


I would get a ladder, I would also not use two deep, I would use at least three to four deep. My opinion.

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Apr 22, 2019 06:41:30   #
capmike Loc: New Bern, NC
 
Not mentioned is shooting 2 photos and merging them. Folks faces are larger and more identifiable.

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Apr 22, 2019 07:21:49   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
petego4it wrote:
Have to take a photo of 20 people in a line two deep. I know of course distortion depends on the lens but in general for a full frame camera, with a decent lens, how wide a focal range can one expect to work without notable distortion on the edges of the unfortunate persons placed there? Same Q 40 people also 2 deep?


I had to do a group wider than my lens could cover once, took two shots, actually took more than two, and merged like a pano the two best, one of the left side and one of the right side, they loved it, Bob.

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Apr 22, 2019 07:48:38   #
grichie5
 
petego4it wrote:
Have to take a photo of 20 people in a line two deep. I know of course distortion depends on the lens but in general for a full frame camera, with a decent lens, how wide a focal range can one expect to work without notable distortion on the edges of the unfortunate persons placed there? Same Q 40 people also 2 deep?


Recently I was asked to take casual photos at a house party. I decided to try to get a group shot of the many guests. Not much distance between the two opposite walls. Put a 9-18 lens on my Olympus OM-D EM 1 camera, had two volunteers stand at the outside edges of my field of view and gathered the guests. There was some distortion which was partially corrected in PS. The results were pleasing.



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Apr 22, 2019 08:41:59   #
BebuLamar
 
Gene51 wrote:
Unless you are lucky enough to use a 35mm Zeiss Biogon (on larger format), or a 25mm Zeiss Distagon (on 35mm or full frame digital) - you will most definitely get volume anamorphosis, which is quite difficult to correct for.

DXO Viewpoint is the only software solution that addresses this with halfway decent results, but even then it leaves something to be desired.

I would say that 35mm lenses or longer generally do not suffer from this sort of volume deformation, and nearly every 28 mm and short lens I've used - Nikon, Canon, Tamron, Sigma etc all have it - and the wider the lens the worse it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZmI94uL4Kk

I've shot with much longer lenses for very large groups, and stitched a panorama.

One trick I have had great success with is to tell everyone in the shot to close their eyes, and open them when I count to three - the result is natural smiles and open eyes.
Unless you are lucky enough to use a 35mm Zeiss Bi... (show quote)


I want to do panorama by stitching several shots but don't the people move a bit between shots and cause problem with stitching?

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Apr 22, 2019 08:42:30   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Depending on your software you can do some straitening in post if needed.

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Apr 22, 2019 08:42:46   #
cfhelz45 Loc: The Villages, Florida
 
This is a photo of a party with about 120 people.



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Apr 22, 2019 08:54:10   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
All suggestions here are worthy and should be noted.
My biggest problem is the "winkies, blinked and nods." Don't forget to have people smile naturally. That is why you shoot several deliberately posed photographs for the best effect.

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Apr 22, 2019 09:04:07   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I want to do panorama by stitching several shots but don't the people move a bit between shots and cause problem with stitching?


Yes and no, I suggest you shoot several sets on burst setting get it fast before they can move much.

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Apr 22, 2019 09:22:50   #
capmike Loc: New Bern, NC
 
Not if you tell them up front to freeze for 10 seconds. Focus for both shots, from the same camera position should be identical. Stitching works great.

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Apr 22, 2019 09:24:38   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I want to do panorama by stitching several shots but don't the people move a bit between shots and cause problem with stitching?


Generally not a problem if they just move a tiny bit. Use a program like PT/GUI that allows you to define the stitchpoints if you have a problem image. Otherwise you can adjust the masks if you are using Photoshop.

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Apr 22, 2019 09:30:37   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
catchlight.. wrote:
Thanks E L Shapiro and Gene... Great advise. I haven't done large groups for some time and recently was asked to do so. I appreciate the wisdom...


Your welcome!

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Apr 22, 2019 09:30:57   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I shoot large groups all the time.

You don't mention if you shot is formal or casual, sports, business, family, military, wahtever? No mention of location. Waht is the size of the final display- print, publication etc.?

Unless you are really cramped for backup space do not use a wide angle focal length.

Rather that 2 lines, go to 3- have some sitting, some standing behind and one group elevated behind the standing group. Use chairs, steps. bleachers, risers or inclined ground wahtever is at your disposal. Stagger the heights, have folks looking out between the shoulders of the group in front of them and try to form a pyramid or triangular group composition- just stringing out 2 rows of 10 is kinda boring. Keep the rows close together.

You may need a bit of elevation so that the camera is at about the chest level of the second row and parallel. Don't shoot from too high with the camera tilted downward or you will get foreshortening.

Compose to fill the aspect ratio. A 50mm focal length should get everyone in at no more than 15 feet.
I shoot large groups all the time. br br You do... (show quote)


Good advice above.

I just did a quick group this past weekend for a bunch of runners. I am still working on the final version (this one is a quick Facebook post I did that morning one of the reasons it does not look as sharp as I would like and I want to remove the light pole on the right) , but I used a 70-200 at 70mm and f/2.8 from a good distance back (around 45") and elevated.

If it had not been raining, I would have used a nearby area with a slight up-slope and a little more distance. Not really happy with this one. Due to the rain the members were less than cooperative, I could not get the blond woman third from the left to settle while the gentleman on the far right kept leaning out of frame. Four times I asked him to move in tighter. He did, I would check the others and notice he had moved out again. There is always at least one of these in every group.

So while I am not totally happy, for the OP's purpose it illustrates that the combination of distance and a long lens even at a fast aperture can provide plenty of DOF (around 14' here) while working with available light. So, yeah get as much distance as you can with the longest lens you can to fill the frame. I have around 60 people here.

Also since I am elevated, I can see everyone's face. Before group shot, I always tell them "If you cannot see the camera lens, the camera lens cannot see you."


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