Bill 45

What are you writing about? France pull out of Indochina in 1955. JFK become president in 1960. Yes, JFK gave the ok to take out South Vietnam leader in 1963. I think it was a few mouths before he himself is k**l.

pendennis

Jonah Goldberg wrote a great book, "Liberal F*****m" which details with a lot of great footnotes, and just how the Liberals of the 20th Century, from Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, JFK, and LBJ were really F*****t in their actions. They used the power of government (dollars, military) to meddle just about anywhere they thought it was a good idea. While Mussolini was probably the F*****t of the 20th Century, he was nearly idolized by FDR. People have thought that TR was a conservative, but he waged war on corporations to get them to kowtow to the government - pure F*****m, and his order to send "The Great White Fleet" on a circumnavigation of the globe, was nothing but a raw projection of power. Both TR and FDR learned their F*****t ways from Wilson.

He cites several sources to confirm that Kennedy had no intentions of exiting Viet Nam. Those who believe he was, are merely wishful thinkers. Kennedy had already requested more money from Congress to expand U.S. involvement. And as you note, the build-up came too quickly to be a "from scratch" program.

The Marines sent to Danang in 1965 were so rapidly deployed that it had to have been planned at least 18 months in advance. The Seabees had already grown by several battalions in 1964 when we weren't even involved on any scale. LBJ didn't need any prodding; his large ears were already bent by McNamara, Rusk, and Dillon.

RAR_man Loc: stow, MA

it is a fact that the UK's socialized medical system is crumbling. Docs leaving the system. Cancer clinics are few and far between. I was watching CSPAN and when nothing happening in US politics (late at night), they often broadcast Parliament. The focus on the episode i saw was what i mentioned above. They are having trouble attracting new docs and the smarter ones are leaving the system. Some folks were having to travel 200 miles to get to cancer clinic once a week.

The bottom line was that health care was declining.

We were in NZ last year and Wifey broke her ankle while there requiring surgery. The care was good, but we saw short-cuts all the time. No alcohol swabs at injection sites. The pharmacist on the floor was from Ohio and she asked me what i thought of the care. She stopped me later in the week and told me she was considering going back to the US. She cited substandard health care and had some of the same concerns I did.

Socialism breeds mediocrity.

Tired of paying everyone else's medical bills; especially those that came here illegally. Not against paying for those citizens who are truly needy. Just don't want to pay for lay-abouts, i******s, or those that come from families that are 3 generations deep into welfare. ARGH!

Sometimes i had commenting knowing that some lefty will criticize everything said, regardless of whether they have actual facts. Bernie and his compatriots are crazy

Bill 45

Pendennis: This Jonah Golderg you write about he has his history mix up. TR was president from 1901 to 1908. Wilson was president from 1913 to 1920. If anyone had influence over FDR it would have been TR. TR was FDR's wife's uncle. Yes, FDR work for Wilson during the WWI in the Navy Dept. The title of the book sound like something out of the book "1984"

pendennis

Woodrow Wilson came out of academia, and he greatly influenced TR well before TR became President. FDR was influenced by both TR and Wilson. FDR admired Wilson's policies, and he even supported Wilson over his cousin in the e******n of 1912.

As I mentioned in my previous post, Goldberg's book is well footnoted, and it's not a "1984" type book. He documents the attraction of FDR to F*****m, via his admiration of Mussolini.

Bill 45

Good God, TR did not known who the hell Wilson was until about 1911 which is three years after he is out of office. TR ran on a third party in 1912, FDR back Wilson because he was a Dem. and FDR was running for state office in 1912. I see you have no idea what I was referring to when I wrote "1984"; maybe this may help "War is Peace". What school did Wilson come from? What other job government did Wilson have before becoming president.

RAR_man Loc: stow, MA

FDR initially admired Hitler, too.

Bill 45

If FDR initially admired Hitler. Why did America go to war with Hitler's Germany in 1941?

RAR_man Loc: stow, MA

Remember, Hitler came to power in '33. I can't seem to find the reference I was looking for, but Hitler admired the New Deal and FDR was enamored with Hitler's plans for reconstruction of German economy.

By '38 FDR was already appealing to Hitler to back off, encouraging peace.

pendennis

It would help if you could formulate a paragraph with some semblance of thought and coherence.

First - Woodrow Wilson was a known and published professor in the "Ivy League" circles well before 1911; in fact he taught at Princeton and a number of other colleges before the turn of the 20th Century. His thoughts on Progressivism were well known and published outside of academia.

Second - That Teddy Roosevelt ran as a "Bull Moose" did not distinguish him a great deal from Woodrow Wilson. They were both Progressives, differing in policy execution, but not Progressive philosophy. All three candidates in 1912 were Progressives, distinguished only by their party tags, and degrees to which they wanted to implement Progressivism. Wilson came out of academia, became the Democrat governor of New Jersey in 1910, and left the governorship when he was elected President in 1912.

Third - Progressivism was the darling philosophy of the left wing starting around 1875. There were numbers of politicians who embraced it, believing that the U.S. Constitution no longer was viable, less than 100 years after adoption. Among those was Robert LaFollette, a Republican.

Fourth - FDR was a Progressive from the outset of his political career, even though he used "Democrat" as his political tag. He knew Wilson, and of course, he and TR were close relatives. The Roosevelts were among the New York elites, who were by most accounts Progressives.

Fifth - Jonah Goldberg did not write a "1984" novel. It is a well documented and researched scholarly work which provides a history of how F*****m and Socialism are well-meshed, and demonstrates just how the two philosophies vary so little. Keep in mind that George Orwell was a Socialist, not a political conservative.

Sixth - I've read "1984" three times, and I wrote at least two college papers.

Angmo

JFK also admired Hitler.

Bill 45

You still don't get about "1984". If you had read "1984" three times you would understand what "War is Peace" is all about. If Goldberg writes that F*****m and Socialism are one in the same. Than George Orwell would have been a f*****t. Right? What is a political conservative to you? To Goldberg what is a political conservative? Get to go had my fun for the day.

pendennis

I'm not a conservative. Philosophically, I'm a libertarian, but in the reality of politics I'm a conservative. I want the rule of constitutional law. I want people to understand that we are a Federated Constitutionally limited Republic. I want the government out of my life, and they should tend to those things which are mandated in the clear words of the U.S. Constitution. The rest should be left to the states, the people, and to private enterprise.

Mr. Goldberg has stated that F*****ts and Socialists are fellow travelers. It's only the means each philosophy uses to their ends. The state is in charge.

I'm well aware of Orwell's use of double speak. Although a Fabian at one time, he abandoned them, and "1984" was proof of that.

Bill 45

A Libertarian are you. That explain a lot. Libertarian are in never never land with the anarchy. A republic is only a country without a king. Well who said what is mandated in the Constitution? We did let private enterprise run things in the 1920s and before and what happen in 1929 & 30 because of that?

steve03 Loc: long Lsland

Mick Jagger is not a good example to us because he has the money to pay a top doctor here in the USA. these doctors do not take insurance on the most part, its cash ahead of time, Us morals must use insurance approved doctors. Millions of Americans today go over the border to get Medical care in Mexico
https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/01/when-doctors-stop-taking-insurance/

https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2019/01/millions-of-americans-flood-into-mexico-for-health-care-and-medications/