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Apr 18, 2019 17:41:03   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
So....You're all for investigations into Obama but not for Trump.....Hmmmmmm

Sounds like Double Standard, to me.


You should know.

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Apr 18, 2019 17:56:17   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Last night it was announced on Fox that a WP reporter did an article for the post declaring "FOX IS THE ONLY STATION WHO HAD IT RIGHT FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. Of course it was in reference to the whole Russia crap being a h**x paid for by the democrats to stop Trump from getting elected and then to unseat a duly elected President.

They are now moving towards the messiah because this all started in the White House under obummer. Imagine that. Bring on the investigations and open up the jail cells.

Maybe that is why FOX is the most trusted cable news channel
Last night it was announced on Fox that a WP repor... (show quote)


Wait for the Mueller testimony.
I'm sure the politicians will have some great questions for him to clarify.
Waiting...

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Apr 18, 2019 18:22:18   #
Angmo
 
soba1 wrote:



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Apr 18, 2019 18:24:35   #
Angmo
 
yhtomit wrote:
Wait for the Mueller testimony.
I'm sure the politicians will have some great questions for him to clarify.
Waiting...


They will be forced to investigate mueller. It’s obvious, the levels of obstruction. All the way through mueller and the doj

Ohhhhh. The horror!!! Why doesn’t everyone see what I do....!!!!!

Lol



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Apr 18, 2019 19:38:47   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
Remind me......what were those Russians indicted for?

And, all of those US people being indicted for doing illegal things......why is that a "bad" thing?


Because one was convicted of crimes the Obama regime new about and were deemed not worth prosecuting ... one plead guilty to lying to the FBI after the FBI deemed he didn’t lie, but after he had lost his home due to fighting Mueller and his son was threatened by Mueller..

Mueller is a thug prosecutor and came up empty.

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Apr 18, 2019 19:40:58   #
btbg
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Obstruction of justice can occur when there is no conviction of a crime which gave rise to the obstruction attempt.


If there is no conviction obstruction can occur, but if there is no underlying crime then there can not be obstruction. In this case tehre was no underlying crime.

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Apr 18, 2019 19:54:10   #
btbg
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
Wow.....I can see this isn't an emotional topic for you.

First....I was using the "royal" you....pertaining to a wider audience...NOT you personally....sorry I wasn't more obvious about that.

Second...there are "a lot" of people on this site, mostly conservatives, that believe that...even though many indictments came out of the Mueller investigation...since none are directed at Trump, that the investigation was a waste of time. You may not be one of them.

Third....I am ALWAYS for investigating/prosecuting ANYONE who has, or is believed to have, broken the law.
I believe most of my fellow Liberals agree with me.

Fourth...why the name calling?????
Wow.....I can see this isn't an emotional topic fo... (show quote)


If liberals in general are in favor of investigating anyone who may have violated the law then why do they insist in saying that Hillary has done nothing wrong and shouldn't be investigated further.

She lied to congress, that's perjury. Bill spoke to the attorney general the day before the case against her was dropped. Comey wrote the exoneration letter before Hillary was even questioned.

They deleted her e-mails after a subpoena was issued for them. Then they gave immunity to a bunch of people and didn't bother to indict anyone.

Add in the uranium deal and the admission by Ukraine that they conspired with the Democrats to fix the e******n and that the dosier used to get the FISA warrant to start the entire investigation was paid for by the Democrats and was never verified and still the liberals on here deny that there is any appearance of wrongdoing. Yet you are saying with a straight face that liberals want investigations into anyone who is believed to have broken the law.

Don't you think that might stretch credibility just a little bit?

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Apr 18, 2019 19:55:26   #
Angmo
 
btbg wrote:
If liberals in general are in favor of investigating anyone who may have violated the law then why do they insist in saying that Hillary has done nothing wrong and shouldn't be investigated further.

She lied to congress, that's perjury. Bill spoke to the attorney general the day before the case against her was dropped. Comey wrote the exoneration letter before Hillary was even questioned.

They deleted her e-mails after a subpoena was issued for them. Then they gave immunity to a bunch of people and didn't bother to indict anyone.

Add in the uranium deal and the admission by Ukraine that they conspired with the Democrats to fix the e******n and that the dosier used to get the FISA warrant to start the entire investigation was paid for by the Democrats and was never verified and still the liberals on here deny that there is any appearance of wrongdoing. Yet you are saying with a straight face that liberals want investigations into anyone who is believed to have broken the law.

Don't you think that might stretch credibility just a little bit?
If liberals in general are in favor of investigati... (show quote)


After being subpoenaed she destroyed cell phones. Emails. SIM cards.., Jail time.

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Apr 18, 2019 19:55:29   #
btbg
 
mwalsh wrote:
This is quite true.

From Barr's comments to the press, it sounds like some acts could be construed as obstruction based on theories that Barr, Mueller et al debated. It also sounds like they decided that Trump's efforts did not rise to a prosecutable level.

We are not going to know until we know, but it sounds like this collusion/obstruction idea is being laid to rest. Hopefully the public release of the report will put this to bed.

I have not raised much hell at all about collusion, even though I find Trump quite distasteful. I am just trusting the process.

Mueller did not strike out in my opinion. He did his job, likely quite thoroughly. So far, it sounds like he found nothing to pursue.
This is quite true. br br From Barr's comments to... (show quote)


There is a big difference between no conviction for a crime and no underlying crime. In the case of Trump there is no underlying crime that is not the same as no conviction for a crime.

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Apr 18, 2019 20:04:43   #
Angmo
 
btbg wrote:
There is a big difference between no conviction for a crime and no underlying crime. In the case of Trump there is no underlying crime that is not the same as no conviction for a crime.


Even for lefties it’s hard to indict, prosecute, and punish anyone for a crime that never happened. Mueller has spoken. He tried. No dice.

Now, on the the next set of leftie lies, false premises and odd fantasies. Never learning which is a good thing.

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Apr 18, 2019 21:01:49   #
btbg
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
I will say one again......if accusations are made and found to be "sufficient" they should be investigated.

"You" keep implying that since "nothing" was found that the investigation should not have occurred and was a waste.
This is incorrect.
Many indictments came from this investigation.
Just because no chanrges have been filed against Trump does not mean the investigation was a waste.

This may have started with allegations against Trump, but the indictments means the investigation was justified.

You should be happy that Trump is "off the hook", at least for now.
I will say one again......if accusations are made ... (show quote)


The indictments had nothing to do with the purpose of the investigation. They all had to do with either crimes that had occurred prior to anything that the allegations were about or for lying under oath. The lying indictments are especially suspect, because if you speak to the FBI without an attorney present and speak even just a little carelessly then the next time they question you and it doesn't quite match next thing you know you are guilty of lying under oath.

But without the investigation in the first place you would have committed no crime. Are you really ok with people going to jail who may only have misspoken.

Maniford and those of his ilk absolutely go after them, but Manifords crimes had nothing to do with Trump. Flynn, that's another story. His reputation and career are destroyed and as far as I can tell he did not deliberately do anything wrong.

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Apr 19, 2019 09:16:29   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
btbg wrote:
If liberals in general are in favor of investigating anyone who may have violated the law then why do they insist in saying that Hillary has done nothing wrong and shouldn't be investigated further.

She lied to congress, that's perjury. Bill spoke to the attorney general the day before the case against her was dropped. Comey wrote the exoneration letter before Hillary was even questioned.

They deleted her e-mails after a subpoena was issued for them. Then they gave immunity to a bunch of people and didn't bother to indict anyone.

Add in the uranium deal and the admission by Ukraine that they conspired with the Democrats to fix the e******n and that the dosier used to get the FISA warrant to start the entire investigation was paid for by the Democrats and was never verified and still the liberals on here deny that there is any appearance of wrongdoing. Yet you are saying with a straight face that liberals want investigations into anyone who is believed to have broken the law.

Don't you think that might stretch credibility just a little bit?
If liberals in general are in favor of investigati... (show quote)

Conservatives are "in power", so, why aren't you/they inirtiating an investigation.

Stop crying about why Dems didn't do this or that (it;s just an attempt at mis direction).

If it's so darn important...what are the conservatives doing about it.

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Apr 19, 2019 09:17:05   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
LWW wrote:
None related to the supposed crime ... and those were dubious crimes to begin with.

Lying is a dubious crime....I wasn't aware of that.

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Apr 19, 2019 09:20:18   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
You appear to have mental issues that keep you from carrying on a sane conversation. You also lack knowledge on the issue you are trying to discuss. Go learn about what took place. Right now you look completely ignorant and unable to comprehend.

Well, If I have mental issues(not saying I don't) at least I can state, one way or the other, that I do or do not support investigating allegations, especially serious one, and prosecuting anyone who has broken the law.

You seem to not be able to state where you stand on such a simple concept.

Oh well.

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Apr 19, 2019 09:22:50   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
Conservatives are "in power", so, why aren't you/they inirtiating an investigation.

Stop crying about why Dems didn't do this or that (it;s just an attempt at mis direction).

If it's so darn important...what are the conservatives doing about it.


It is not in dispute that a foreign country engaged in disrupting the 2016 e******n with the intent to make Trump our President.
What is anyone, especially the current President, doing to address that, and protect the e*******l process in the future?
The Meuller report is not a win for Trump, it is the exposure of an unfit Constitutional "leader" who still thinks Putin is his buddy.
Maybe he is.
This country is in trouble.

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