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Apr 7, 2019 18:38:04   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
Many times people who have never professionally shot an event come up with most complicated answers ...

I like longer lenses like the 135mm prime for events. 85mm on a FF body can be perfect, and of course a 50mm is perfect for wide shots. Anyone who suggests a 100-300mm is simply a spectator who doesn't have proper credentials for an event.

A fast lens is more important and a better investment. If you are unable to move up close, or a casual spectator... or outdoor, then use a slower zoom lens.

The examples I posted were all 23mm with the mirror-less Fuji X100F at f2.0. The difference between f2.0 and 2.8 is huge indoor and f/1.2 is awesome.

I suggest prime fast lenses to get professional results. Ebay and Craigslist is a good place to look.

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Apr 7, 2019 18:49:54   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
I have plenty of batteries. Five in total. Every now and then I dust off my battery grip. It came with the camera so I might as well get some use out of the thing.

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Apr 7, 2019 19:40:46   #
User ID
 
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hookedupin2005 wrote:

Although a bit more expensive, the a6400
(IMHO) would be a better choice. A 200mm
lens should be all you need.


That would require keeping distance down
to about 35 feet. OP indicates distance can
be as much as 50 ft.

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Apr 7, 2019 19:44:53   #
RichA
 
Thank you - very useful information. I didn't realize there was a limit on the silent mode with the M50. That's another reason why I like the a6400 even more. The silent mode is extremely important to us since 90% of our shots are during student recitals.

It doesn't make sense saving money buying a camera that doesn't do what we need it to. I'm trying get at least partial funding to buy the equipment we need, so a few hundred more is not a deal breaker.

Thanks again,

RichA

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Apr 7, 2019 20:12:39   #
User ID
 
catchlight.. wrote:
............
I like longer lenses like the 135mm prime for events. 85mm
on a FF body can be perfect, and of course a 50mm is perfect
for wide shots. Anyone who suggests a 100-300mm is simply
a spectator who doesn't have proper credentials for an event.

............


The person who explained the need to reach up to 300mm
[1] provided example photos
[2] is a seasoned event shooter
[3] provided a simple math proof
[4] is quite accustomed to attitudes such as you express

At 50 feet, for a "portrait" [per the OP] of a student
violinist, 300mm will render just about a "half-body"
field of view on the APSC format. Doesn't matter in
the least what you prefer to use. The OP stated the
expectations and the working conditions.

Actual subject area of a 300 on APSC at 50 feet is
4ft x 2.75ft. Thaz just a "waist up" shot of a player
plus a bit of "breathing space" ... NOT a head shot.

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Apr 7, 2019 20:17:15   #
RichA
 
Thank you!

I am getting that I need the 300 mm lens. The half-body portrait at 50 feet is perfect for our needs.

Thanks again.

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Apr 7, 2019 20:37:08   #
markwilliam1
 
Or buy the Sony RX10 M4 to cover all your bases. Silent shutter. 24 FPS. 600mm lens. Excellent low light abilities. All in one portable camera!
RichA wrote:
Hi Folks,
I'm taking photos at student concerts, shooting from 20 feet to 50 feet away. I'm choosing between a Sony a6400 or a Canon EOS M50 - I need the mirrorless to avoid the clicking during concerts. I'm an amateur - my grandson is helping me learn to manually set the ios, f stop etc but I'm a rank beginner.

Two questions: which camera do you recommend for a beginner and which lens should I buy for the long (50 feet) shots to get a violinist for example in a portrait shot? I'm getting different advice about whether 200mm will do or will I need a 300mm lens?

Thanks in Advance!
Hi Folks, br I'm taking photos at student concerts... (show quote)

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Apr 7, 2019 20:44:01   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
Since this is a classical concert, noise might matter, and matter a lot. If the concert is being recorded, noise will matter. Is there something that disqualifies an electronic shutter?

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Apr 7, 2019 20:50:25   #
markwilliam1
 
The electronic shutter on my Sony mirrorless is completely silent! I would assume most mirrorless cameras have the silent shutter option. I can shoot 24 FPS in complete silence.
TheShoe wrote:
Since this is a classical concert, noise might matter, and matter a lot. If the concert is being recorded, noise will matter. Is there something that disqualifies an electronic shutter?

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Apr 7, 2019 21:24:35   #
fehutch Loc: gulfport, ms
 
I had replied previously and completely forgot that I own and use a Sony RX10. The old basic one - They are still available. Great Zeiss lens - 28 to 200mm zoom and F:2.8 across the entire range. You won’ find a better zoom camera combination for under $1,000. It should do the job - But the zoom speed is on the slow side.

It would fit your needs and you don’t have to switch lenses.

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Apr 7, 2019 21:32:14   #
James56 Loc: Nashville, Tennessee
 
Here's a link (below) to my live performance photos using a Sony RX10M3. The camera handled all sorts of stage action and lighting conditions with ease. With the 24-600 zoom lens, I had plenty of range to get in close or go for those wide shots. No fiddling with taking lenses off and on either, so I didn't disturb others around me or miss any of the action. The electronic shutter makes the camera totally silent. The only noise I heard was me going "wow" from having to much fun shot after shot. I've since upgraded to the RX10M4, so my autofocus is lightning fast now. You might check into maybe a used version of this camera. Good luck with your search.
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-565354-1.html

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Apr 7, 2019 21:38:35   #
tomcat
 
James56 wrote:
Here's a link (below) to my live performance photos using a Sony RX10M3. The camera handled all sorts of stage action and lighting conditions with ease. With the 24-600 zoom lens, I had plenty of range to get in close or go for those wide shots. No fiddling with taking lenses off and on either, so I didn't disturb others around me or miss any of the action. The electronic shutter makes the camera totally silent. The only noise I heard was me going "wow" from having to much fun shot after shot. I've since upgraded to the RX10M4, so my autofocus is lightning fast now. You might check into maybe a used version of this camera. Good luck with your search.
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-565354-1.html
Here's a link (below) to my live performance photo... (show quote)


I've seen James' concert images before and they are fabulous. He is the real deal when it comes to this type of shooting. He sold me on the idea of getting a Sony RX10 Mark IV and it's on my birthday list. So take his advice and don't mess with that Canon.

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Apr 7, 2019 22:11:38   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
As you said, WOW! Those are excellent captures. Now I have learned a new skill.

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Apr 7, 2019 22:13:05   #
whlsdn Loc: Colorado
 
User ID wrote:
Uh huh. If you tend to shoot much music, don't
let anyone tell you a certain SLR is "quiet enuf".
You want/need a totally silent electronic shutter.

Breaking the concentration of a nervous student
musician is not the only problem. I've had a very
anal sound engineer tell me that his mic's would
pick up the electronic first curtain shutter on my
a7-II. The players were world class, unshakable
concentration-wise, and the mic's were nowhere
near the rear of the house where I would work.
But, you cannot argue a case with such types :-(

Fortunately, there was still 20 min of rehearsal
time remaining, so I got better shots than could
ever be made during the concert no matter how
quiet any camera may be :-)
Uh huh. If you tend to shoot much music, don't br... (show quote)


Good comment. Great photos!

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Apr 7, 2019 22:22:47   #
whlsdn Loc: Colorado
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Well, lets see...

The A6400 is considerably more expensive.... It sells for almost $1000 with the 16-50mm kit lens or $1300 with the 18-135mm.

In comparison, the M50 is $649 with 15-45mm kit lens or under $900 with both 15-45mm and 55-200mm lenses. There is also an EF-M 18-150mm lens, but it's not sold in kit with the M50.... so would need to be bought separately (M50 body only, $629. 18-150mm lens, $499.)

Both cameras have silent shooting mode, which seems to be of concern to you.

The M50's silent mode is limited... it's only usable as a "scene mode". Those modes are super automated, restricting many functions of the camera (exposure mode, ISO range, AF setup, and more).

The A6400's silent mode is more universally usable with other camera settings of your choice.

Although there are a lot more native lenses available for the A6400, lenses for the M50 really aren't a problem. It will work quite well with adapted EF or EF-S lenses, which means you actually have far more lenses to choose among in the Canon system, than you do in the Sony system.

Canon lenses also can be adapted for use on the Sony camera. However, I have been told the autofocus performance suffers to some extent.

If you don't mind manual focus - which is relatively easy with an electronic viewfinder that has focusing peaking - there are some impressive third party lenses for both cameras. Check out some of the Rokinon/Samyang, for example... such as 50mm f/1.2 ($449), 21mm f/1.4 ($379) and 85mm f/1.8 ($299). I don't know if it would be possible to use these lenses on the M50 in that cameras silent mode. I am pretty sure that there would be no problem doing so on the Sony.

Carefully check out any additional lenses or accessories you might want now or in the future. One system or the other might meet your needs better. Prices can vary for similar items. For example, a Sony E 20mm f/2.8 lens costs $349. Compare to a Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM lens for $229. Both manufacturers offer around 5 different flashes.... the most affordable Sony is under $150, while the least expensive Canon is $169.

Finally, I would recommend you go to a store that sells both of these models, handle their demo cameras and play around with them for a while. If at all possible, turn them on, take a few shots, check out the menus, etc. (take a couple memory cards with you). You might find one camera or the other just seems more comfortable and intuitive to work with. Beware of sales people who might get a bonus for promoting one brand or another.
Well, lets see... br br The A6400 is considerably... (show quote)


Amfoto1, I always enjoy encountering your contributions to the threads I read. Always positive, always authoritative and informative for those of us eager to learn. I didn’t start this thread, but I’ll thank you anyway.

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