olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

Well Mr. Burkholder, you have exceeded my expectations with your reply, well done, excellent post!!!!!

For some reason it wouldn't accept "quote reply".

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

The only thing he might have missed is the release of the new Panasonic G95 (I believe that's correct; it's so new I'm not sure). Similarly to Bill, I chose Olympus 4/3rds over Canon when I went to digital from film. I don't have the need for video like Bill does, have been familiar Olympus's "smaller is better", and their demand for optical quality. Just want make sure you know there is a brand new 20mp 4/3rds option.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Good point. My post on the last page is several weeks old. Here’s a couple of links about the new G95/G90/G91:

https://m.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dc-g95-g90-review-in-progress?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui3qje1GmVQ&feature=share

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

Bill, that was awesome. I've liked Panasonic camera's since I bought a Panasonic VHS Video rig in 1984. Also really liked my cheap, $300 Panasonic FZ18. I was about to replace the FZ18 with a higher end Panasonic when my wife bought me a Nikon d 5200 for Christmas a few years back. I've never gotten along well with that camera, and IF I ever buy another camera, it will be mirrorless, and probably Panasonic.

Anyway, thanks for the post, it was much, much, much better than telling the guy to DAGS or a hog search and stop making him read what was already discussed, as if that is even possible...

chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY

I did not say that - the benefit is inherent in the DSLR design of course. However they can make the AF sensor as small or large - up to the size of the or width of the main mirror. The D500, for example, includes AF points almost to the edge of the frame (left/right), but 100% coverage is not really needed - most of the action happens in the center region or at the magic third points, and you can always lock focus and recompose anyway - huge numbers of AF points is not a selling point for me.

Yes, one minus with the DSLR AF is they must frequently be tuned with each lens since the main mirror may not rest at exactly 45 degrees +/- across all models so in essence the lens must be a matched pair with each body(but not always). This problem does not occur with mirrorless of course.

Also remember in every DSLR there is a mirrorless (that has MUP or Live View), it's just that that mode is not optimized as a "mirrorless" camera but that may change in the near future with hybrid designs... yes a DSLR with both an EVF and OVF in one...Nikon has something patented in that regard.

Beenthere

To summarize, the chief differences are 1. lack of vibration from a moving mirror. 2. A possibility of a smaller bodies and lenses as in the Olympus and Lumix (Panasonic) offerings. Unfortunately, many mirrorless models electronically imitate the sounds of mirror and shutter noise plus a new sound of "Auto Focus," a rather annoying "Beep". Supposedly all this gives some feedback to those who want/need it. By the same token, those models also offer a "Silent" mode for those that don't need the reassuring noise.

I have nothing against SLR/DSLR as I grew up with them and took some damned good photos with them too. We live in modern times and the manufacturers keep coming up with new improved models. It's really up to you and no-one can decide for you.

markjay

Really - I dont think I have ever felt any vibrations from a moving mirror ?

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

There are situations where mirror movement can cause blur. For instance using a long lens on a tripod for a stationary but distant subject, or shooting a landscape from a tripod, especially with a longer exposure.

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

The camera does is the point. Hence, mirror lock-up and live view.

Beenthere

You will now.... :-)

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

> Slide to digital macro copy work
> Copy stand work and copying larger works of art
> General macro work
> Long telephoto work
> Long exposure work with VR/VC/IS/OIS/IBIS
> Work in wind when using a light tripod
> Using a shutter prone to shutter shock

... All are examples of situations where “that flippy floppy thang” can add to camera shake. Solutions:

Mirrorless Camera
Electronic shutter
Silent mode
VR/VC/IS/OIS/IBIS
Remote trigger via WiFi and phone app
Heavy tripod on thick rubber pads

(I use all of these)

markjay

ok - thanks - you are right - I can see the mirror affecting an image with some movement in these conditions. But that does not mean the photographer would feel the vibration.

Thanks !

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Actually on a DSLR, the difference between a shot taken where both the shutter and the mirror move is something that can be felt when you press the shutter release. So, yeah, the photographer can feel the vibration.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

True, but whether the photographer feels the vibration is pretty insignificant, right? It is image stability we care about.