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Apr 1, 2019 14:02:58   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Is Kenko a good brand? Three tubes 12, 20, 30 retains auto focus. $130.00 or should I bite the bullet and go with Nikon?


Kenko is an excellent brand - no need to spend extra with Nikon.

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Apr 1, 2019 14:14:32   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
You can get the cheap, manual tubes for $20 or less. That's what I've used. One tip: there is a silver button to release the tube from the camera. In many cases, you must slide that button. Pushing it will not disengage the extension tube.


Let me ask you, if you are using a modern lens and a really inexpensive set of tubes which I assume are not electronic how do you set aperture?

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Apr 1, 2019 14:58:15   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
I agree but decent set of bellows that I can grow into is well out of my current budget. The extension tubes can be added to a bellows if a rich uncle dies.


Keh Canon Bellows FL
$59.00
Superior build.
Adapter to camera 31.50
The excellent 100mm f4 bellows lens, 119.00
Or find a 50mm fd macro for a wide range of inexpensive.
Just a thought
I use the Canon bellows on my 7D with the 100mm f4 macro

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Apr 1, 2019 15:04:34   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
I have a set of even cheaper Meike extension tubes for micro four thirds. They work fine. One thing to watch out for is some tubes have inferior internal surface coatings and cause reflections and flare.

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Apr 1, 2019 15:06:00   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Really? Never been a problem for me.



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Apr 1, 2019 15:07:22   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
DWU2 wrote:
Kenko is an excellent brand - no need to spend extra with Nikon.



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Apr 1, 2019 15:10:11   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
amfoto1 wrote:
The Kenko tubes are excellent.

In fact, in a number of ways they are BETTER than the Nikon tubes (PK-13, 27.5mm and PK-12, 14mm and PK-11A, 8mm).

The Kenko are better because they cost less per tube... you get three in the set for $130: 12mm, 20mm and 36mm. The Nikon tubes are only sold individually and cost $89 or $99 each... To get close to the 68mm of total extension possible with all three of the Kenko, you'd have to spend at least $287 (two 27.5mm and one 14mm, not a very good selection of sizes... other combos are possible, but will cost even more). On price alone, the Kenko are winners by a large margin.

Using them singly or in various combinations, the three Kenko tubes give you seven different possible amounts of extension, for use with a wide variety of focal lengths. I've used them on everything from 20mm to 500mm lenses.

But even more importantly, the Kenko tubes are fully usable with ANY F-mount lens. They have electronic contacts to fully support autofocus and aperture control with "G" lenses (lenses that don't have a built-in ring to set the aperture). The Nikon extension tubes have no electronic contacts, so there is no autofocus and - most importantly - THERE IS NO MEANS OF SETTING THE APERTURE on any "G"-series lenses that lack the aperture control ring (of which there are many). This isn't just "loss of automation". With the Nikon tubes, you will be stuck using a "G" lens wide open all the time, unable to stop it down for increased depth of field (important with close-ups and macro). So it's not just a lack of automation that you can work around... the Nikon tubes are for all practical purposes unusable wit "G" lenses. Not so with the Kenko, thanks to the electronic contacts built into their tubes. I honestly don't know why Nikon has so stubbornly kept making their "old school" extension tubes and never updated them to fully function with their modern lenses. It wouldn't be a big deal to just add the electronics to their tubes, too.

So the Kenko tube functionality IS NOT the same as the Nikon. In fact, the Kenko tubes are BETTER.

And the Kenko tube quality is pretty much equal to the Nikon or Canon tubes. They are well made with similarly strong latch mechanisms. I don't know that it matters very much, but someone told me the Kenko are are plastic now (I use an older set that's definitely metal... cosmetically a little different, but functionality and quality identical to sevearl much more expensive Canon tubes I use, too). Well engineered plastic can be fine, anyway. I think the Nikon tubes are still metal... but I'll leave it to someone else to confirm (I don't have any of the Nikon tubes on hand right now... I had a couple of them stolen during a break-in recently).

Besides the Kenko, here are cheaper third party tube sets... such as the Vello set for around $80, also incl. 12mm, 20mm & 36mm (some other brands instead provide 11mm, 21mm & 31mm). These also have the electronic contacts to provide full functionality with any F-mount lens. While not bad, these are definitely made of lighter plastic and don't appear to have as strong latching mechanism. I'd be hesitant to use them with heavier cameras and lenses.

There are even cheaper"econo" versions of some of the third party, Chinese tubes... typically selling for under $50 (sets of either 12, 20, 36 or 11, 21, 31mm). These use plastic bayonet mounts (like some entry-level "kit" lenses do). They might be okay for occasional use with the lightest of lenses. But I wouldn't expect them to hold up over time or trust them with a more valuable lens.

Heck, there are even dirt cheap extension tubes... under $25... some even $15 or less. These are very simply "dumb" tubes, without any electronic contacts or even the "AI" mechanical linkage such as the Nikon tubes have. With these super cheap tubes, AF and aperture control will be completely manual. PLUS, the lens aperture will actually stop down as it's set to a smaller aperture, dimming your viewfinder along with it (in other words, open aperture isn't maintained until the moment of exposure, the way it is with the Nikon "AI" or "auto indexing" tubes).

All three types of the cheaper, Chineses tube sets sell under a BUNCH of different brand names. I would wager there are actually only two or three manufacturers and all the other brands are just relabeled from those.

I highly recommend the Kenko tubes... Or the Vello for someone who will never be using them with heavy lenses and is on a tight budget.

Tubes are MUCH easier to use than the bellows someone recommended above. Bellows are essentially a variable length extension tube... but they also are rather bulky, fragile and easily damaged, and they have no support for AF or aperture control (same as the "dirt cheap" tubes above). Also, bellows MINIMUM extension is typically around 40mm, while their MAXIMUM is usually around 150mm. With many lenses, this will make for VERY high magnification. With bellows I'd highly recommend a tripod and a precise geared focusing rail. Note: There are some bellows with electronic connectivity to support AF and aperture control with modern lenses and cameras... However, they are quite expensive.... upwards of $500 typically. See "Novoflex" brand. I don't know if they are offering anything that's Nikon F-mount compatible right now.

There also are "helicoids", which are another type of variable extension tubes... the range of extensions possible isn't as great as bellows, but the idea is similar. They essentially are two rigid tubes, one fitted inside another, that allow for some adjustment of the length of extension. I don't see any of these available for Nikon at present, but - if memory serves - typically these give a range of approx. 40mm to 65mm extension.
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Apr 1, 2019 16:05:58   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
A photographer I know had used Kenko extension tubes, before he bought his Tamron 90mm f2.8 macro lens. He said they were the best aftermarket you could buy. I bought some extension tubes, but I soon fell out of love with macro photography. Not to say, I disapprove of those who enjoy doing macro. Kenko, also makes some decent teleconverters, for Nikon and Canon cameras. I own one for Nikon Mount. Prices are less than Canon or Nikon Brand teleconverters. Perhaps not as good, but good enough.

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Apr 1, 2019 16:24:01   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Is Kenko a good brand? Three tubes 12, 20, 30 retains auto focus. $130.00 or should I bite the bullet and go with Nikon?


I have a set of kenkos and IMO they are almost junk. I also have a set of Nikon tubes but they are NOT auto, no matter what Nikon says, However they are a very much better than kenkos. The main problem I have with the kenkos is that they constantly lose the electronic connection and you have to mess with them to regain the connection.The only way I never had a problem was when I only used one tube at a time.

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Apr 1, 2019 16:53:01   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Is Kenko a good brand? Three tubes 12, 20, 30 retains auto focus. $130.00 or should I bite the bullet and go with Nikon?


I’ve had Kenko for a number of years without any problems.

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Apr 1, 2019 20:43:12   #
ialvarez50
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Is Kenko a good brand? Three tubes 12, 20, 30 retains auto focus. $130.00 or should I bite the bullet and go with Nikon?


When it comes to extension tubes it makes no difference what brand you purchase as long as they are well made and the contacts allowed you to focus properly with an autofocus lens. I have and use Canon EOS 5D Mark III and I purchased a set of Vivitar extension tubes from Amazon for $49.00. Now they are a little more but they are the same quality. Take a look here: https://www.amazon.com/Vivitar-Macro-Extension-Digital-Cameras/dp/B00570TMB6/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=vivitar+extension+tubes&qid=1554165553&s=gateway&sr=8-4

Good luck.

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Apr 1, 2019 22:32:57   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
For a little less I just picked up the Movo set for M4/3 from Amazon. $80 with free one day shipping if you have Amazon prime. They’re very well made, a nice snug fit, and maintain all auto functions. Their Nikon set is the same price and looks good.

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Apr 2, 2019 01:01:53   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
I also have a set of Nikon tubes but they are NOT auto, no matter what Nikon says.

Nikon’s “auto” extension tube designation refers to the diaphragm control.

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Apr 4, 2019 09:41:47   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
I use the Neewer brand, which is much cheaper than the Kenko. I expect you pay for a more solid build, but I have no real issues with the Neewer. About once every 10 times I mount them one tube fails to make electrical contact but I quickly re-mount them, getting the audible 'click' when they snap into place. I personally don't mind this at all (though others might). Maybe this happens less often than with Kenkos? I don't know, really.

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Apr 5, 2019 14:05:37   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I have a set of Kenko extension tubes and they work just fine; haven't had the slightest problem with them.


Don't think that there is a problem, there is no glass, all they are is spacers. I have used a couple different tubes, and I have never had a problem.
Just get a set that is set for your camera.

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