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Mar 31, 2019 10:37:35   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
billnikon wrote:
I try to get the exposure right FOR MY EYES, not the camera's. I commonly use Aperture priority and exposure compensation to get the exposure right IN MY EYES.
For me the correct exposure may be what other's consider overexposed or underexposed. But, IN MY EYES, it is the correct exposure. The following are some examples of what, in my eyes, are correct exposures.
And yes, I can do work in post, put it is usually for other things besides exposure. And I use JEPG. and I find it works really well for me even in post.
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I agree, and you give perfect examples, which are great BTW.

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Mar 31, 2019 10:39:07   #
Vincejr Loc: Northern Kentucky
 
What the photographer wants.

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Mar 31, 2019 10:47:21   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
srt101fan wrote:
Thanks for responding, dione. I strongly disagree with your statement that your opinions don't matter because you are a novice! We can all benefit from thoughtful comments by novices. Keep shooting and keep posting....



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Mar 31, 2019 10:51:15   #
Charlie C Loc: North Liberty, IA
 
Right on the money, Martinfisher.

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Mar 31, 2019 10:52:01   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Instead of the "Exposure Triangle" of my yesteryears, my current digital photography "triangle" is relatively equally weighted: = Focus / Exposure / Post Process, all done to achieve my intended situational Composition (what's in "my mind's eye") and frame filling, captured vision of the selected scene. I love SOOC, and all forms of "Auto & Scene Recognition", but more often than not, each time I come back to an SOOC/Auto shot, I'm tweaking it in PP, to polish/finalize the capture.

I shoot mostly Manual, followed by AP - Why? I grew up on film and manual cameras, understand composition and light, know what my intent is, so it just feels natural for me - YMMV. Do I use the rest of the dial when the convenience is helpful, or situation begs it, of course, as well as all the other features and capabilities of my equipment that fit the situation. At this age/stage of my development, Composition is ingrained and it seems my eyes/mind know what the light meter is going to tell me, where "auto" is going to take me, what shutter speed I need, etc. etc.

There is a plethora of great insight in this thread (and many others over time), when you read and digest the information, and put together all the better points and explanations (without naming and quoting all the great contributors), the question is answered (to me).
mike

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Mar 31, 2019 10:55:08   #
BebuLamar
 
olemikey wrote:
Instead of the "Exposure Triangle" of my yesteryears, my current digital photography "triangle" is relatively equally weighted: = Focus / Exposure / Post Process, all done to achieve my intended situational Composition (what's in "my mind's eye") and frame filling, captured vision of the selected scene. I love SOOC, and all forms of "Auto & Scene Recognition", but more often than not, each time I come back to an SOOC/Auto shot, I'm tweaking it in PP, to polish/finalize the capture.

I shoot mostly Manual, followed by AP - Why? I grew up on film and manual cameras, understand composition and light, know what my intent is, so it just feels natural for me - YMMV. Do I use the rest of the dial when the convenience is helpful, or situation begs it, of course, as well as all the other features and capabilities of my equipment that fit the situation. At this age/stage of my development, Composition is ingrained and it seems my eyes/mind know what the light meter is going to tell me, where "auto" is going to take me, what shutter speed I need, etc. etc.

There is a plethora of great insight in this thread (and many others over time), when you read and digest the information, and put together all the better points and explanations (without naming and quoting all the great contributors), the question is answered (to me).
mike
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I like your Triangle better than the stupid "Exposure Triangle".

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Mar 31, 2019 11:15:42   #
cassie246
 
New to photography. What do you mean by RAW. Camara came with no directions. I am trying to figure ot out.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:17:39   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
srt101fan wrote:
Many folks here say or imply that getting the "correct" exposure is a must if you want to get good images. Many will add that you have to shoot in "manual" to get control of the camera and get that "correct" exposure. I'm wondering what message this sends to newcomers.

Yes, you should try to get the exposure as close to "perfect" in the camera.

Yes, there are difficult lighting situations that can cause the camera's light meter to give you readings that may be wrong for what you want. But, let's face it, changing exposure is just a matter of letting in more or less light and/or changing the ISO. The light meters in modern cameras are pretty darn good. And if the lighting is squirrelly, you can make the proper up or down adjustments using exposure compensation if you're in one of the auto modes. And you have a fair amount of control in post-processing, particularly if you're shooting RAW.

I don't mean to resuscitate the Manual vs. semi-auto modes debate. I'm just wondering if there is too much of a mystique being attached to getting the "proper" exposure. So how important is it to "nail" the exposure settings? Aren't there more important, or at least equally important considerations such as focus, depth of field, etc.?
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First, Define Proper Exposure, IMHO it varies with each individual as the proper exposure is what you want, the effect, the reflection of what you see. We are ARTISTS, not machines, if the perfect 18& gray is not what I want then the perfect exposure is not perfect!

Rant Over, have a good day!, Bob.

BTW That's why I sometimes do not comment on others work, it's their vision.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:19:58   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
The most important part of making a good picture is the nut behind the camera.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:20:01   #
srt101fan
 
Bill_de wrote:
As I pointed out it would be the same no matter what element you chose. Having another post to discuss exposure without actually discussing exposer is right out of Chris's play book. In fact Chris uses the exact words all the time, 'based on my reading of UHH posts.' Then instead of responding to those threads, lets have one that questions why there are so many others on the topic.

I meant no disrespect to you. It just struck me the wrong way. I apologize if I offended you.

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No need to apologize for your earlier post, Bill. But now, a comparison with Chris? That really hurts!

I'll try to clarify the reason for my question. I've been taking photos for a long time. I find interesting visual subjects in just about everything, so I'll shoot any time, any place. I don't claim to be a good photographer, or even a photographer, but I have gotten a few good ones along the way.

In going over my many photographs (mostly black & white film and now digital) I find that exposure has not been at the top of my "problem" list. Unless the lighting was really difficult, such as too high a dynamic range or trying to do too much with too little light, etc, I found that getting a good exposure wasn't all that difficult.

There are many other things that have kept me from a collection of wall-hangers.

Timing is one of them. With moving or potentially moving subjects, shutter-release timing may be critical to get the "story". I'm a long way from Cartier-Bresson's "Decisive Moment" skill!

Along with picking the right time to release the shutter, it's important to be able to react quickly to changing subjects. I'm pretty slow in processing that kind of information and making needed adjustments.

Reading the light (including assessing the dynamic range) is another essential photographic skill I haven't mastered. I don't usually spend enough time on this, partly because I sometimes get too wrapped up in the subject and composition. I haven't learned to slow down, even when I have the opportunity for a more deliberate approach to the shot.

With people photography, I haven't mastered establishing the proper rapport with a subject, to make a subject comfortable, and get them away from the "standard" posing (the usual response to "say cheese"). So I used to try candid shots, but those also come with a set of issues.

I could add others, but I hope you can better understand where I'm coming from.

So, again, getting the "right" exposure hasn't been my biggest issue. And I still don't understand why it so often seems to rise to the top in UHH comments (just think of how often Peterson's book is mentioned!). And I do understand and admire the exposure approach used by Gene51, rmalarz and others that combine careful metering with planned post-processing in a kind of "systems" approach. Those are worthwhile approaches to study and learn from. I'm thinking more of priorities for novices.

As usual though, when I engage in these brain exercises, I have to remind myself that photography covers a vast spectrum of types and styles. I think a problem on UHH is that people often present opinions on how to do this or that, or what to do or not do, that really do not have universal photographic applicability.
So it all depends on the kind of photography you do, right?

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Mar 31, 2019 11:23:43   #
boydcrochet
 
Correct exosure leads to better image qualty. The definition of "correct" may change with the ability of the individual cameras' RAW images.

Shooting with intent is best. Keep ISO low, expose for highlights, know the more you need to lift shadows the more noise suppression you need to execute in post.

Professional looking images do not get there by accident. And you still need light and line compositin.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:28:51   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
I totally agree. Focus focus focus......


BigDaddy wrote:
You're half right. Over manipulation screams in an image (unless intended) but less manipulations in no way makes it "better". The less skill you have in editing the more your edits will scream. Highly skilled editors can edit 'till the cows come home and the more, the better.

Exposure is not very important unless you really, really get it wrong. Focus is everything because it is about the only thing that can't be fixed in post, including composition. For example, that underexposed photo of aunt Jane with the light pole growing out of her head can easily be fixed in post in a few seconds. The same picture, out of focus, is trash.
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Mar 31, 2019 11:28:55   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
srt101fan wrote:
No; I'm not going to post questions on the importance of other elements of good photography and I don't understand your negative tone. Exposure is one that, based on my reading of UHH posts, somehow has been elevated to a level not accorded to other aspects of photography.

And I'm not sure I understand why....

In most cases the camera, set to semi-auto modes, will give you decent exposures you can work with. Newcomers to photography might be better off concentrating on other things first....
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I think exposure is talked about more, not that it’s more important, but because I think the need for focus is a given and composition is subjective.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:35:35   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
One of the issues is, what exactly is correct exposure? I have a niece that is an extraordinarily successful wedding photographer, and a lot of her photography is consistently over exposed, from my perspective. But her clients love it. It is a matter of style. I tend to under expose by a hair. I have had several people tell me that I should lighten up some of my photos. In each case, we are going for a given mood. Whether the photos are printed to the precise level of lighting that existed in the original environment would seem to be inconsequential. Because again, it is a matter of personal style.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:54:19   #
Jodevoy
 
Bill de and CHG CANON - I’d be interested in what you have to say about getting sharp focus.

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