pesfls wrote:
I think they’re all important. The less manipulations in pp the better. Over manipulation screams when you see it in an image.
You're half right. Over manipulation screams in an image (unless intended) but less manipulations in no way makes it "better". The less skill you have in editing the more your edits will scream. Highly skilled editors can edit 'till the cows come home and the more, the better.
Exposure is not very important unless you really, really get it wrong. Focus is everything because it is about the only thing that can't be fixed in post, including composition. For example, that underexposed photo of aunt Jane with the light pole growing out of her head can easily be fixed in post in a few seconds. The same picture, out of focus, is trash.
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
That is too limiting. I look at the altered images I did 5 years ago, and I shudder when compared to my workflow results today. There is more to this than what the camera captured when the shutter button is pressed.
I agree. Perhaps I could have said it better. Your pp experience is more extensive than mine as we both know. I know what you mean about progress in workflow. What I was wanting to convey is my usual dislike of images I consider overbaked and sometimes garish. I tend to think that doesn’t save the day. And yes, I’m amazed by what one can accomplish in pp.
BigDaddy wrote:
You're half right. Over manipulation screams in an image (unless intended) but less manipulations in no way makes it "better". The less skill you have in editing the more your edits will scream. Highly skilled editors can edit 'till the cows come home and the more, the better.
Exposure is not very important unless you really, really get it wrong. Focus is everything because it is about the only thing that can't be fixed in post, including composition. For example, that underexposed photo of aunt Jane with the light pole growing out of her head can easily be fixed in post in a few seconds. The same picture, out of focus, is trash.
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Fair points and I understand. It is just my habit to get all the parameters as close as possible to what I want, in camera. And yes I’ve trashed many a file because I didn’t get the focus I intended. The wheat and chaff.
srt101fan wrote:
Many folks here say or imply that getting the "correct" exposure is a must if you want to get good images. Many will add that you have to shoot in "manual" to get control of the camera and get that "correct" exposure. I'm wondering what message this sends to newcomers.
Yes, you should try to get the exposure as close to "perfect" in the camera.
Yes, there are difficult lighting situations that can cause the camera's light meter to give you readings that may be wrong for what you want. But, let's face it, changing exposure is just a matter of letting in more or less light and/or changing the ISO. The light meters in modern cameras are pretty darn good. And if the lighting is squirrelly, you can make the proper up or down adjustments using exposure compensation if you're in one of the auto modes. And you have a fair amount of control in post-processing, particularly if you're shooting RAW.
I don't mean to resuscitate the Manual vs. semi-auto modes debate. I'm just wondering if there is too much of a mystique being attached to getting the "proper" exposure. So how important is it to "nail" the exposure settings? Aren't there more important, or at least equally important considerations such as focus, depth of field, etc.?
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Over exposure is pretty deadly, but under is not a disaster if you are shooting raw.
Getting correct exposure is important but we have to define what is correct exposure. And that depending on the photographer.
juan_uy wrote:
I would say that focus and depth of field are more important, as there are not practical (if possible at all) to correct in PP.
I think that most people that recommends "leaving auto mode" are usually talking about full auto. The default full auto-focus with all points available (whatever that is called in each camera) is a great source of missed shots.
Also, controlling shutter speed and aperture allows to start experimenting on different types/techniques, like long exposures, or separating the background for better portraits, etc.
But I am just a starting newbie amateur :)
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Good to see you express your views. I think we can all benefit from thoughtful comments by "starting newbie amateur[s]".
BebuLamar wrote:
Getting correct exposure is important but we have to define what is correct exposure. And that depending on the photographer.
and for the effect intended.
There is no such thing as "correct exposure." It's almost always a compromise between having highlight and shadow detail that both look acceptable. editing your images, and shooting in RAW gives a lot more latitude to being a little off on exposure. The latest full frame cameras are incredible in dynamic range so getting close on exposure is usually sufficient. An image that portrays a somber/dark mood my be better a little darker, whereas a lighter image helps evoke a happy and lighter feeling. It's an artistic subjective choice. If you shoot in manual mode you change shutter speed or aperture to change exposure, in automatic modes you use exposure compensation. The effect is the same, exactly the same. There are people who insist on shooting in M mode, but most do it for reasons they probably don't even understand themselves. Night shots are about the only time I ever use M, especially moon images. Light meters work the same in manual or auto modes. You just correct the image slightly differently. To argue the point I arranged some students in different lighting conditions and asked the M mode users to take a shot of each one as quickly as possible, while I did the same in Aperture priority. I shot all six in the time the students were still lining up shutter speed and aperture manually. You don't get different or better exposure, you just get it differently. I shoot most of my images in Aperture Priority. Another time I use manual is at sunset. As you recompose and the meter reads the sun and shadows in different parts of the frame, the exposure reading changes. I get a good exposure first, go to manual and use those settings, and then changes in composition won't affect the image if I don't read the meter and readjust each time. The moon is similar. Get a good exposure and lock it in using M settings. Unless there are clouds the same setting should work on all images. As the moon changes slightly in framing the meter will give different suggestions, ignore it. Most of my students who insist on shooting in manual do so because of the false belief that it's more professional and makes them look like pros. Also, if you're not editing your images you are sorely missing out on the control you could have.
Correct exposure is relative to what you want the final photo to look like and that’s totally subjective. It varies from subject to subject. Metering is just a starting point unless you’re just doing mostly snapshots like I do. I usually take what the meter gives me, depends on how far ahead I was thinking.
dione961 wrote:
I'm a novice, just 6 months off full Auto & 1st time with a DSLR, so my opnions don't usually matter uch here, but since this topic seems aimed at the needs of novices, here's my 2 cents. I went to Manual with auto WB straight from full Auto precisely so I could learn the roles of aperture, ISO & shutter speed in making a good exposure. I figured if I could do that on a regular basis, I'd know when & why to use aperture or shutter priority.
6 months later I find I can make good exposures but what send most shots to the Trash is focus.
Ignoring the choice of artistic soft focus effects, it's very clear to me that without great focus I'm not going to end up with a good result no matter what I do, before or after the shot.
I'm finding it vastly more difficult to get a handle on a 51-point AF system than I did the exposure triangle, WB & composition.
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Thanks for responding, dione. I strongly disagree with your statement that your opinions don't matter because you are a novice! We can all benefit from thoughtful comments by novices. Keep shooting and keep posting....
correct exposure in auto mode with perfect light will work fine . manual mode will allow you to take near perfect pictures in not perfect light . like shooting very bright subjects , or shooting with the sun not behind you .the auto exposure will over or under expose by at least one f stop .you can change that in manual mode .
Correct exposure is key. Also correct focus and crop right
Vincejr wrote:
Correct exposure is key. Also correct focus and crop right
What is correct for an image?
What the photographer intended or what the viewer desires.
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