From the Camera to Processing
Mar 21, 2019 10:02:47 #
My perspective (just my distorted view of reality; I’m often wrong!):
1. This is an interesting subject, but the composition is challenging for the photographer. Image 1 appears to have lost much of the natural depth to the image (which then also hurts post processed Image 2); I’m left wondering if more depth perspective could have been retained by the photographer rotating either right or left (my preference)? There is also the question of Natural Light; without knowing what the photographer intended, I’d have been tempted to play with natural light, or to have initiated this image concept as a black and white rendition?
2. Without access to the RAW, it’s difficult to comment on what the photographer decided to do to Image 1, to create Image 2. Certainly, much of this interpretation is a matter of taste; my personal perspective is that Image 2 works well as a poster for a woodworking fair, but may be a little too “heavy handed” in post processing as an artistic representation of this real world subject (e.g. real dust and dirt in Image 1 has been mostly lost as a surface attribute in Image 2, etc.)
3. The large and very obvious ownership naming does absolutely nothing positive for either image. I know of several international photographic competitions where that would disqualify the image from judging. My advice would be to hide a tag; it’s generally better to blend in, rather than stand out?
4. Finally, while I do appreciate the photographer’s work in Image 2, if that’s truly “what I saw”... then you might want to avoid changing jobs, and the associated drug screening, any time soon? If (as I think you actually mean) Image 2 is better described as “what I wanted”, then Congratulations; the end result is a Testament to your skills and capabilities in concept through to close. 👍
1. This is an interesting subject, but the composition is challenging for the photographer. Image 1 appears to have lost much of the natural depth to the image (which then also hurts post processed Image 2); I’m left wondering if more depth perspective could have been retained by the photographer rotating either right or left (my preference)? There is also the question of Natural Light; without knowing what the photographer intended, I’d have been tempted to play with natural light, or to have initiated this image concept as a black and white rendition?
2. Without access to the RAW, it’s difficult to comment on what the photographer decided to do to Image 1, to create Image 2. Certainly, much of this interpretation is a matter of taste; my personal perspective is that Image 2 works well as a poster for a woodworking fair, but may be a little too “heavy handed” in post processing as an artistic representation of this real world subject (e.g. real dust and dirt in Image 1 has been mostly lost as a surface attribute in Image 2, etc.)
3. The large and very obvious ownership naming does absolutely nothing positive for either image. I know of several international photographic competitions where that would disqualify the image from judging. My advice would be to hide a tag; it’s generally better to blend in, rather than stand out?
4. Finally, while I do appreciate the photographer’s work in Image 2, if that’s truly “what I saw”... then you might want to avoid changing jobs, and the associated drug screening, any time soon? If (as I think you actually mean) Image 2 is better described as “what I wanted”, then Congratulations; the end result is a Testament to your skills and capabilities in concept through to close. 👍
Mar 21, 2019 10:51:40 #
BB4A wrote:
My perspective (just my distorted view of reality;... (show quote)
BB4A thanks for your critique! "Congratulations; the end result is a Testament to your skills and capabilities in concept through to close." is what I was shooting for!
Mar 21, 2019 11:39:05 #
Mar 21, 2019 12:12:01 #
Very nice and informative, Bill. I wouldn't give a second look to #1 but I find #2 fascinating to study and explore. I understand your concept of the camera versus what you saw. Seeing includes the emotional response to a photo. It includes the thoughts and memories it invokes. Because of the complexity of seeing and remembering what was seen, I believe #2 is what your mind saw and I find it far more interesting!
Your processing skills tend to turn the ordinary into extraordinary!😊👍
Your processing skills tend to turn the ordinary into extraordinary!😊👍
Mar 21, 2019 12:46:13 #
I like your treatment of the original. So what if it looks surreal - that's the idea, right? I know it's not for everyone but it certainly works for this image. Great job.
Mar 21, 2019 12:47:32 #
BB4A's reaction to Bill's modified photo is one I found interesting. He said or "my distorted view of reality." I do not think that BB's view is distorted, rather after viewing his work, it is apparent to me that BB is a SOOC, reality-oriented documentarian. His photos are excellent indeed. There are those tied tightly to reality and those like Bill and I who love the beauty of abstraction. Concrete thinker just do not understand our flights of fantasy. Never think tho, that I am not a hardball realist in technical work.
There are those realistic artists that feel that if one paints a portrait of cow should look like a cow. Nazi attitude toward Bill’s art would say that his was "Degenerate Art." The modern impressionist were verboten. Stalin had much the same view; "Socialist realism is a style of idealized realistic art" It is the age old battle between realistic art and abstract art and the same applies to thinking in general. I personally would be in trouble since one of my favorite comments is "No Good Photo Shall Go Unmolested." Your realism and trend to SOOC and nature would have been praised.
"There is also the question of Natural Light" yes, but at times the light is just not there or we take a photo and if we could return an external flash would help. My flower photos are always with flash so as to eliminate the natural light on the background.
"Without access to the RAW, it’s difficult to comment on what the photographer decided to do to Image 1" I think Bill like I often do in photography and cooking is to just have fun... a little of this and that and the initial "decision" may not have existed. Examining your work.BB, it is obvious you are very deliberate with excellent results. I did a friend a favor modifying one of her photos last night and like a cook, I tasted it, and added a flip, filled in a bare area, cropped to a story and cheated and put suggestions of things in the fog sky. The result was in my opinion flavorful rather than the bland foggy day landscape she started with tho the fog was still the major part of the photo.
"The large and very obvious ownership naming does absolutely nothing positive" Yes, I agree with you BB
"avoid changing jobs, and the associated drug screening, any time soon?" Me, I was a creative chemist and engineer... really made my success in life for Fortune 500 companies by seeing not what was rather what could be; it was fun and often disturbed upper management... but I made them lots of money. Neither Bill or I will quit or day jobs to become money earning photographers.
There are those realistic artists that feel that if one paints a portrait of cow should look like a cow. Nazi attitude toward Bill’s art would say that his was "Degenerate Art." The modern impressionist were verboten. Stalin had much the same view; "Socialist realism is a style of idealized realistic art" It is the age old battle between realistic art and abstract art and the same applies to thinking in general. I personally would be in trouble since one of my favorite comments is "No Good Photo Shall Go Unmolested." Your realism and trend to SOOC and nature would have been praised.
"There is also the question of Natural Light" yes, but at times the light is just not there or we take a photo and if we could return an external flash would help. My flower photos are always with flash so as to eliminate the natural light on the background.
"Without access to the RAW, it’s difficult to comment on what the photographer decided to do to Image 1" I think Bill like I often do in photography and cooking is to just have fun... a little of this and that and the initial "decision" may not have existed. Examining your work.BB, it is obvious you are very deliberate with excellent results. I did a friend a favor modifying one of her photos last night and like a cook, I tasted it, and added a flip, filled in a bare area, cropped to a story and cheated and put suggestions of things in the fog sky. The result was in my opinion flavorful rather than the bland foggy day landscape she started with tho the fog was still the major part of the photo.
"The large and very obvious ownership naming does absolutely nothing positive" Yes, I agree with you BB
"avoid changing jobs, and the associated drug screening, any time soon?" Me, I was a creative chemist and engineer... really made my success in life for Fortune 500 companies by seeing not what was rather what could be; it was fun and often disturbed upper management... but I made them lots of money. Neither Bill or I will quit or day jobs to become money earning photographers.
Mar 21, 2019 13:57:10 #
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Mar 21, 2019 18:22:25 #
Excellent download and processing of #2 Bill. Makes the details more interesting to view.
Mar 21, 2019 20:30:06 #
dpullum wrote:
BB4A's reaction to Bill's modified photo is one I ... (show quote)
Nothing here that I can disagree with. 👍
I think I need to upload more of my “spur of the moment” and “home cooking experiments”... I’m apparently in danger of being typecast as a realism / documentarian photographer... too much time spent in sports & photojournalism, I suppose? 😉
Mar 21, 2019 20:32:58 #
Mar 21, 2019 23:54:58 #
UTMike wrote:
Great work, Bill!
Thanks UTMike! I really appreciate that! Thanks for commenting!
Mar 21, 2019 23:59:50 #
Cwilson341 wrote:
Very nice and informative, Bill. I wouldn't give ... (show quote)
Thanks so much Carol for your kind reply! You always encourage me to keep going forward! BTW, my eye doctor gave me great news this morning! I'm doing great and all is getting better!
Mar 22, 2019 00:01:31 #
kpmac wrote:
I like your treatment of the original. So what if it looks surreal - that's the idea, right? I know it's not for everyone but it certainly works for this image. Great job.
Thanks for your support kpmac! Very much appreciated!
Mar 22, 2019 00:08:12 #
dpullum wrote:
BB4A's reaction to Bill's modified photo is one I ... (show quote)
Thank you Don! I couldn't have said it better! Much appreciated, you partner in crime!
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