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Mar 11, 2019 10:16:53   #
PaulBrit Loc: Merlin, Southern Oregon
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
After using D200 (2) for many years I got a D750 and haven't looked back. I does everything I want and expect it to do.


Likewise, after using a Pentax that was almost as old as I was, I got a D750 a year ago and haven’t looked back. The only problem is me now; trying to remember the many different facilities! But I do love it!

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Mar 11, 2019 10:20:14   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Dear Friend:

I wouldn't buy anything until I fully knew what I wanted or needed and had researched all avenues for its' acquisition. It sounds as though you are not ready and should wait a little longer until you have all the facts lined-up.

Buying a Bigger & Better $$$$ will not make a person a Better Anything......take you time and choose wisely . Make the most of what you already have and migrate into areas of interest that require a new tool for that specific need and don't be persuaded by other people's opinions....up or down.

At the end of the day , it only has to please you and not me. It's your banana boat.

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Mar 11, 2019 10:23:46   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Brucej67 wrote:
Andy, there are reasons to use a full frame lens on a crop frame camera (I do it all the time). A full frame lens on a crop frame camera actually gives an image that is cropped versus using the same lens on a full frame camera, simply put if I put my 500mm lens on my D500 it gives me an image in size as if I used a 750mm lens on a full frame camera (the focal length remains the same but the image covers a larger circle on the sensor). This is primarily useful in wildlife photography.


Yes, I understand that concept. What I meant to say was "There are no inherent advantages to using a FF lens on crop size camera UNLESS you're planning to upgrade in the future to full frame." I didn't express myself very clearly there.

Now I will admit that there is generally better quality glass available for full frame, something that's going to be increasingly true as the makers begin to phase out their APS size lines, but I don't think most crop sensor cameras can take full advantage of this, and the price difference is so significant that if you're on a limited budget, you'll have a broader range of the highest quality APS size lenses at half the price of a full frame array. There are still plenty of lenses on the market, new and used, to do anything I want to accomplish with my D7100 and its eventual successor.

Andy

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Mar 11, 2019 10:48:39   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
Brucej67 wrote:
See my comment to Andy.



Hi Bruce.

I think we are probably in agreement. Using fx lenses on dx cameras will probably provide better pictures because most fx lenses have better glass. using dx lenses on fx cameras can cause loss of usable mm of the lens, which shows up as aberrations on the print. So using dx lenses on fx cameras is not the best way to go.

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Mar 11, 2019 10:54:03   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
AndyH wrote:
I had understood that using the crop mode on any full frame camera gives you fewer usable pixels and a lower IQ than using a crop sensor body of the same generation. So you lose all of the advantages of full frame (except possibly low light performance) and don't gain anything. Am I wrong?

Since I entered the digital world, I've always been advised to use APS lenses on APS bodies and full frame lenses on full frame bodies.

I've "learned" many things in my lifetime that have proven to be wrong. But am I wrong on this one?

Andy
I had understood that using the crop mode on any f... (show quote)


Hope this to be helpful, if not, ignore. You can probably get a good feel for the FF vs. FF "in-camera" crop mode by using the same feature that is on the D7100. Although I shoot the majority of shots with the D7100 in DX mode, I do often switch the "Image Size" setting to 1.3X for another view of same subject, or when I need a little more reach than the mounted lens can produce, as I often go out with just one lens for local walk&shoot. I do not use any tele-extenders now, as this method is superior.

It is a crop, and yields approx. 15+MP, but since no light loss you still get a very fine photo. I'm viewing on a 23" 1080 monitor, and do no further cropping, and find the results to be fine. Is cropping in PP better? Probably. It just allows me to fill the frame the way I want to w/o having to wade across the pond, or scare the bird, slip down the bank, etc. etc.

I would imagine (I do not have FF yet, nor the lenses to support one) that following the same process with a FF camera w/In-Camera crop would yield similar results, although the crop would be a larger part of a larger sensor than the APS camera, and s/b better.

On the lenses; DX s/b fine with DX or FF lenses, and with FF lens on DX body you shoot through the sharpest portion of the lens, FF with DX lenses usually loses corners and such, so FF lenses only on FF cameras. That is what I've read. And yes, FF lenses are $$$$$.
Cheers!!

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Mar 11, 2019 11:09:57   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
olemikey wrote:
Hope this to be helpful, if not, ignore. You can probably get a good feel for the FF vs. FF "in-camera" crop mode by using the same feature that is on the D7100. Although I shoot the majority of shots with the D7100 in DX mode, I do often switch the "Image Size" setting to 1.3X for another view of same subject, or when I need a little more reach than the mounted lens can produce, as I often go out with just one lens for local walk&shoot. I do not use any tele-extenders now, as this method is superior.

It is a crop, and yields approx. 15+MP, but since no light loss you still get a very fine photo. I'm viewing on a 23" 1080 monitor, and do no further cropping, and find the results to be fine. Is cropping in PP better? Probably. It just allows me to fill the frame the way I want to w/o having to wade across the pond, or scare the bird, slip down the bank, etc. etc.

I would imagine (I do not have FF yet, nor the lenses to support one) that following the same process with a FF camera w/In-Camera crop would yield similar results, although the crop would be a larger part of a larger sensor than the APS camera, and s/b better.

On the lenses; DX s/b fine with DX or FF lenses, and with FF lens on DX body you shoot through the sharpest portion of the lens, FF with DX lenses usually loses corners and such, so FF lenses only on FF cameras. That is what I've read. And yes, FF lenses are $$$$$.
Cheers!!
Hope this to be helpful, if not, ignore. You can ... (show quote)


That's a good idea, mikey! I've never shot a single shot on my 7100 in that mode. I'll give it a try to see if I can tell the difference. I also have a FF lens I can use to make the comparison. I have a 1.4 Tammy teleconverter, but I rarely pull it out of my bag.

Sadly, I'm afraid I'm going to be within DX mode for a long time unless my wife or I gives up photography as a hobby. And most of the time, I'm perfectly happy with that.

Andy

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Mar 11, 2019 11:33:21   #
Country Boy Loc: Beckley, WV
 
I have a similar decision between a D500 and a D850 and as I read the comments I notice that everyone seems to believe FF is best without actually saying it. Notice all the comments: I don't have FF yet, best to get FX lens in case you upgrade to FF later, just the fact that several call getting FF an upgrade. All of those comments tells me the choice should be the D750 since it appears FF is better and we should all be headed in that direction anyway.

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Mar 11, 2019 11:39:53   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
Country Boy wrote:
I have a similar decision between a D500 and a D850 and as I read the comments I notice that everyone seems to believe FF is best without actually saying it. Notice all the comments: I don't have FF yet, best to get FX lens in case you upgrade to FF later, just the fact that several call getting FF an upgrade. All of those comments tells me the choice should be the D750 since it appears FF is better and we should all be headed in that direction anyway.

Just keep in mind that the D500 and the D850 do not have the anti-aliasing (AA) filter as part of the sensor but the D750 does. I still feel the D750 will yield very sharp images.

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Mar 11, 2019 11:45:14   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Country Boy wrote:
I have a similar decision between a D500 and a D850 and as I read the comments I notice that everyone seems to believe FF is best without actually saying it. Notice all the comments: I don't have FF yet, best to get FX lens in case you upgrade to FF later, just the fact that several call getting FF an upgrade. All of those comments tells me the choice should be the D750 since it appears FF is better and we should all be headed in that direction anyway.


I use a FX camera and I love it BUT, I can't honestly say it is better than a DX camera because I have seen far too many outstanding images taken with a crop sensor. I believe that what makes one better than the other is the individuals needs and that a major consideration when trying to decide on which camera system to invest in is an honest self appraisal. Taking into consideration what the major subjects will be.

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Mar 11, 2019 11:53:54   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
AndyH wrote:
That's a good idea, mikey! I've never shot a single shot on my 7100 in that mode. I'll give it a try to see if I can tell the difference. I also have a FF lens I can use to make the comparison. I have a 1.4 Tammy teleconverter, but I rarely pull it out of my bag.

Sadly, I'm afraid I'm going to be within DX mode for a long time unless my wife or I gives up photography as a hobby. And most of the time, I'm perfectly happy with that.

Andy


Hi Andy, Same here - DX camera bodies for forseeable future, unless I catch a really good deal on and older FF model (still, would have the lens issue to work on), it's another bag of dollars (big dollars) and while I'm a serious hobbyist, I live on a budget, and am generally quite happy with my own work, and my meager equipment.

Give that image size setting a tryout, it is a crop, but can be helpful in situations I described, a little extra reach w/o extra gear/lens change, and no light loss.

I am looking for a FF 2.8 tele, preferably prime, 300 or so, and when a nice one comes along with a nice price, I'll jump.

As always, hope all is well in your neck-o-the-woods!!
mike

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Mar 11, 2019 12:18:25   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
olemikey wrote:


As always, hope all is well in your neck-o-the-woods!!
mike


Same to you, my friend.

Still in survival mode, but hopefully things will get better if this crappy winter ever ends.

Add my local shop (they're great!) to the list of sources you're checking for that telephoto. They often have some bargains. I'll be happy to check out anything you want to look at there "in the flesh".

https://monadnockimaging.com/camerasandgear/#used

The gallery at Vermont Center for Photography (just across the river on the Vermont side) also has some great bargains from time to time, although most of their finds are film era gear.

https://www.facebook.com/vcpbrattleboroshop/

Keep on truckin'
Andy

PS: Any other UHH friends that find stuff at either of these resources that they'd like checked out in person, I'd be glad to oblige. I've received so much good karma on this site that I really need to pay it forward as much as possible.

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Mar 11, 2019 12:23:04   #
rond-photography Loc: Connecticut
 
Through_MI_Eyes wrote:
Anyway the people of UHH could share images using there d750? Im still on the fence. I was prepared to pick up the d7500 cause i had the funds. Now being recommended to buy 2 different cameras but funds are higher and making me think im gonna make the wrong choice and regret it.


You can go to 500PX.com and filter on D750 (or any other camera). Don't discount crappy photos as a bad camera - more likely the photographer.

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Mar 11, 2019 14:18:25   #
Norm11 Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
Upgrading from a long line of Nikon crop sensors to the full frame 750 was a game changer for me. As an event and portrait photographer, much of my work is in low light situations. The 750's increased sensitivity allowed me to shoot in locations and times that before were a struggle.

I've kept all my old FX lenses, but mainly use a 28-300 now. True it's on the slow side, just f4-5.6, but the sensor's sensitivity compensates for that. Shoot RAW and edit out any noise in Dfine2 from Nik Collection.

Here's my website with many examples, if you're interested: www.naturalportraitsandevents.com

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Mar 11, 2019 14:27:31   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Through_MI_Eyes wrote:
Anyway the people of UHH could share images using there d750? Im still on the fence. I was prepared to pick up the d7500 cause i had the funds. Now being recommended to buy 2 different cameras but funds are higher and making me think im gonna make the wrong choice and regret it.


You asked the exact same question yesterday.

Rather than repeat it all in detail, you'll find my response here: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-582186-2.html#9957720

To summarize:

1. When you asked yesterday you also commented "....I love birding" and for that a DX camera will always have the edge over FX.... UNLESS you have money for really big, powerful, heavy lenses and have a hefty tripod to use them on... and are willing to haul ta big heavy kit around yourself or pay an assistant to do it for you.

2. Fine camera tho the D750 might be, it's a 24MP full frame camera. Great for some things, but "birding" isn't one of them.

3. You have choice of three excellent Nikon DX cameras to upgrade (from a D5000-series camera, if memory serves):

- 21MP D500... top of the line performance, advanced AF system, fast frame rate, dual mem cards...
and highest price. About $500 more expensive than D750.
- 21MP D7500... sort of a scaled down version of the D500...
fast but less advanced AF, not quite as fast frame rate, single memory card...
low resolution LCD... price is about $150 less than D750.
- 24MP D7200... very similar to D7500... same AF system...
except has dual mem cards, not quite as fast frame rate, higher resolution LCD screen....
$697 sale price is approx. $550 less than D750, $450 less than D7500, $1100 less than D500.

Personally I think it's pretty much a no-brainer. If it were me, I'd buy the D7200 right now.... the price is a bargain, it would be a great upgrade and is a good, solid choice for birding. It has higher resolution than D500 or D7500, matches the resolution of the D750.

If you still want FX for other purposes, D750 prices will continue to drop. A $700 discount on them right now (bringing price down to around $1297) suggests that there's a new model about to be announced and they are clearing the shelves to make way for it. If that's the case, the price of D750 will probably drop farther after the new model is announced. Wait and buy one them, to use alongside a D7200.... that way you have best of both worlds, the "right tools" for different types of photography.

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Mar 11, 2019 14:31:49   #
Norm11 Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
You asked the exact same question yesterday.


If you still want FX for other purposes, D750 prices will continue to drop. A $700 discount on them right now (bringing price down to around $1297) suggests that there's a new model about to be announced and they are clearing the shelves to make way for it. If that's the case, the price of D750 will probably drop farther after the new model is announced. Wait and buy one them, to use alongside a D7200.... that way you have best of both worlds, the "right tools" for different types of photography.
You asked the exact same question yesterday. br b... (show quote)


The "new model" the 850 has been out for over a year. Nikon is already discounting that one by $200. The trend is that the company, along with the rest of the DSLR world is moving to mirrorless. So point is, you'll NEVER have the latest greatest. Pick what suits your particular type of photography and enjoy it!

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