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Mar 7, 2019 14:07:21   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
If you have experience and can help, may I pose a F/U question: I have a D5300, 24mp. Would this be a suitable crop companion for distant subjects or should I consider a D500? Better clarify F/U = follow up!

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Mar 7, 2019 14:19:27   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Recently my neighbor and I both took shots of an eagle perched behind our houses. His was a better version because he got a closer shot (crop sensor) with decent results. I was using a FF with a 70-200 f4 because that was there to grab at the time. By the time I got my 200-500 mounted, the eagle "flew the coop". Later I viewed Steve Perry's free video on cropping and and I am reaching the conclusion that a crop body deserves a place in my kit when cropping a FF image will yield less satisfactory results. I also note that Steve includes a D500 in his kit. Hogger thoughts welcome.
Recently my neighbor and I both took shots of an e... (show quote)


While the D500 is a fine camera, personally I would take a really hard look at a D7200 as a possible alternative. It's far less expensive and higher resolution. It's not the "pro grade" build of the D500 and doesn't have as fast frame rate, but it's no slouch either. I'm not sure why Nikon thought the D7500 (which is essentially a scaled down D500) was a "replacement" for the D7200. Perhaps they have another 24MP DX model in the works, more of a direct replacement for the D7200, and that's why they are blowing out the remaining D7200s so cheap ($700 right now, after $400 discount... or $1100 less than the price of a D500, $450 less than a D7500).

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Nikon_D7200_vs_Nikon_D500_vs_Nikon_D7500/BHitems/1127271-REG_1214161-REG_1333060-REG

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7200-vs-Nikon-D7500
https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7200-vs-Nikon-D500

Personally I use both full frame and crop sensor cameras. I shoot a lot of sports and practically all of that, and the vast majority of wildlife photography I do, is done with the crop cameras. I use the full frame for portraits, scenic shots and macro, primarily. I do a lot less of those types of photography, so I actually use crop cameras around 90% or more of the time. I have mostly full frame capable lenses, which work fine on both. But I do have a few "crop only" lenses, especially for use on those cameras.

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Mar 7, 2019 14:27:15   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
LFingar wrote:
I hope you were less boring then my 12th grade History teacher!

I hope so, I think of it as hiSTORY and I love telling stories.
Here in CA both US and World History are divided into three grade levels that cover overlapping time periods and 12th grade is Government and Economics.
Grade Five: United States History and Geography: Making a New Nation (aprx up to the Revolution)
Grade Six: World History and Geography: Ancient Civilizations
Grade Seven: World History and Geography: Medieval and Early Modern Times I taught this one year
Grade Eight: United States History and Geography: Growth and Conflict (aprx Revolution to just after the Civil War) I taught this for 14years
Grade Ten: World History, Culture, and Geography: The Modern World (aprx Industrial Revolution to the Present) LA taught it in 9th just to prove they could and only changed a few years before I retired. I taught this at Jr & Sr High School at least one period a day for 23 years of my 34
Grade Eleven: United States History and Geography: Continuity and Change (Civil War to Present) I taught this aprx 12 years total
Grade Twelve: Principles of American Democracy and Economics (one semester of government and one of economics) I taught the Government semester 5 years

Now, I often taught more than one of these (plus other subjects) at a time. The normal load was 5 periods of classes and one of "Prep time", About 10 years of my 34 I taught 6 periods with a 7th period for "Prep" after school. A few years I did 5 periods of the same subject but there was one year I did four different subjects, most years I had two or three different subjects to prep/write lessons for.

Apologies for getting off topic.

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Mar 7, 2019 15:23:38   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
[quote=robertjerl]I hope so, I think of it as hiSTORY and I love telling stories.
Here in CA both US and World History are divided into three grade levels that cover overlapping time periods and 12th grade is Government and Economics.

Please recommend a good source or two to learn a little more about the medieval wars - 100 years war and the 30 years war. This was never covered much in my history classes and not at all in my BS Chemistry curriculum. If this belongs in a separate thread or PM, please do so in order not to risk being trolled for being so far off the subject. Thanks in advance.

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Mar 7, 2019 15:33:58   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
Recently my neighbor and I both took shots of an eagle perched behind our houses. His was a better version because he got a closer shot (crop sensor) with decent results. I was using a FF with a 70-200 f4 because that was there to grab at the time. By the time I got my 200-500 mounted, the eagle "flew the coop". Later I viewed Steve Perry's free video on cropping and and I am reaching the conclusion that a crop body deserves a place in my kit when cropping a FF image will yield less satisfactory results. I also note that Steve includes a D500 in his kit. Hogger thoughts welcome.
Recently my neighbor and I both took shots of an e... (show quote)


I moved through the Nikon lineup since the D100 and the D70. I now use a D800 and a D810. I have rented and borrowed a D500, which many seem to tout as a good way to shoot active subjects at long distances with long lenses, because you have "more pixels" on the subject. My reality is that unless I am really close, I am cropping anyway, even with the crop cameras. I find that my image quality, even with cropping, is better with the full frame cameras. And cropping to 1/3 of the pixels in a D810 still leaves me with 12 mp - which is more than what is required for a quality image viewed at 24" and way more than you need if you print large - like 40x60. I do like the AF performance on the D500, which is a compelling reason to use it, but with a 600mm lens, it is barely manageable hand held. Ever since getting a 150-600, I've gotten great results hand held. Using a crop camera with a 150-600 pretty much ensures that you need to bring at least a monopod, and more than likely a tripod - for optimum results. I don't see a D500 in my future. But I do see the D850's replacement in that future. As good as it is, the D850, like every digital camera Nikon has made, will be replaced with something better. I'm waiting for that.

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Mar 7, 2019 15:57:59   #
Unclehoss
 
Gene51 wrote:
I moved through the Nikon lineup since the D100 and the D70. I now use a D800 and a D810. I have rented and borrowed a D500, which many seem to tout as a good way to shoot active subjects at long distances with long lenses, because you have "more pixels" on the subject. My reality is that unless I am really close, I am cropping anyway, even with the crop cameras. I find that my image quality, even with cropping, is better with the full frame cameras. And cropping to 1/3 of the pixels in a D810 still leaves me with 12 mp - which is more than what is required for a quality image viewed at 24" and way more than you need if you print large - like 40x60. I do like the AF performance on the D500, which is a compelling reason to use it, but with a 600mm lens, it is barely manageable hand held. Ever since getting a 150-600, I've gotten great results hand held. Using a crop camera with a 150-600 pretty much ensures that you need to bring at least a monopod, and more than likely a tripod - for optimum results. I don't see a D500 in my future. But I do see the D850's replacement in that future. As good as it is, the D850, like every digital camera Nikon has made, will be replaced with something better. I'm waiting for that.
I moved through the Nikon lineup since the D100 an... (show quote)



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Mar 7, 2019 16:19:38   #
steveg48
 
Not correct , should be 30mp/(1.6 squared)=30mp/2.56=11.7mp.

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Mar 7, 2019 16:36:49   #
User ID
 
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I use mix-and-match Sony E-mount gear,
both APS and FF. Neither format can really
do the other format's job equally well. Use
of the smaller camera is nothing to do with
a less expensive second body, as I have a
matched pair in each format. Both formats
are 24MP but each is best for different jobs.

Best I do not detail which jobs for which as
that would just stir up more muddy waters.
I like Sony's mix and match cuz everything
uses the same lenses and batteries.

.

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Mar 7, 2019 18:08:19   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
I am the OP and the differences I referred to were what I saw on my 27" monitor. Guess I need to set up my cameras on a "rifle rack" and then grab what's best without the delay of changing lenses, which BTW was hampered due to the recently purchased tripod ring on my 70-200 that interferes with dismounting the body.


Just a question but why would you not just loosen the foot from the tripod with the tripod ring still attached?I shoot a 70-200, 300mm, and a 600mm all with tripod ring attached. I have an extended foot on all three lenses and use it as a handle to carry the lens with camera attached.

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Mar 7, 2019 19:32:21   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
I did loosen the foot. The problem was one of time. By the time I loosened the foot, dismounted the lens and remounted the longer lens, the eagle was gone. But I will solve the problem, just have a camera body for each lens (it's GAS joke)

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Mar 7, 2019 21:13:25   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
[quote=DaveyDitzer]
robertjerl wrote:
I hope so, I think of it as hiSTORY and I love telling stories.
Here in CA both US and World History are divided into three grade levels that cover overlapping time periods and 12th grade is Government and Economics.

Please recommend a good source or two to learn a little more about the medieval wars - 100 years war and the 30 years war. This was never covered much in my history classes and not at all in my BS Chemistry curriculum. If this belongs in a separate thread or PM, please do so in order not to risk being trolled for being so far off the subject. Thanks in advance.
I hope so, I think of it as hiSTORY and I love tel... (show quote)


A good short book on the 100 years war to start with is "The Hundred Years War: The English in France 1337-1453" by Desmond Seward. Both Amazon and Barnes & Noble have it in paperback and as e-books.

The 30 year war - look here: https://www.google.com/search?ei=zM2BXJCUJe7D0PEPyoOpgAU&q=books+about+the+30+years+war&oq=books+about+the+30+years+war&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i5i30.28528.32224..33779...0.0..0.87.973.12......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j35i304i39j0i7i30j0i13j0i7i5i30.dTqdgX5uNxM

Actually the majority of what I know about the 30 year war was picked up reading a fiction series started by the SciFi writer Eric Flint. It has a lot of real history mentioned in the various things written as part of the "1632 Universe" of his story line. https://1632.org/ There is a digital magazine called "The Grantville Gazette" that has short stories and factual articles keyed to the series. Plus, at least for me, it is fun to read.

OK guys, end of off topic side trip.

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Mar 7, 2019 21:54:42   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
Thank you

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Mar 8, 2019 16:27:35   #
MauiMoto Loc: Hawaii
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Just get the D850 and get rid of the rest, no need for two bodies.


I have the same conclusion. It's like having a D500 built into the same body.

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Mar 8, 2019 16:42:21   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
If you have experience and can help, may I pose a F/U question: I have a D5300, 24mp. Would this be a suitable crop companion for distant subjects or should I consider a D500? Better clarify F/U = follow up!


The D5300 should be fine, it might even be better. Both cameras are DX format and the D5300 has more pixels. No need to change cameras.

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Mar 8, 2019 20:45:52   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
PHRubin wrote:
The D5300 should be fine, it might even be better. Both cameras are DX format and the D5300 has more pixels. No need to change cameras.


Thank you for the encouragement and saving me from a GAS attack and the cash which I'll stash for the next GAS attack. When that happens, I'll come to UHH for more counseling. Seriously, Thanks.

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