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Mar 8, 2019 09:04:19   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
rpavich wrote:
You misunderstood the meaning of preconditions.

God must preexist everything for anything to make sense.

Illustration: For us to be able to think rationally we use the laws of logic whether we realize it or not. The laws of logic are grounded in God's attributes. Without God, there can be no logical laws, they reflect His mind/thinking.

I'd love to hear someone explain the existence of the laws of logic, their origin, existence etc without God...it cannot be done.


That's what I meant be precondition.
You misunderstood the meaning of preconditions. br... (show quote)


I apologize
Ok I can tell you are a deep thinker.
If you really want answers start YouTubing this gentleman that’s if you are truly seeking.
Chuck Missler
http://youtu.be/ef7AR2byxI4

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Mar 8, 2019 09:11:47   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
soba1 wrote:
I apologize
Ok I can tell you are a deep thinker.
If you really want answers start YouTubing this gentleman that’s if you are truly seeking.
Chuck Missler
http://youtu.be/ef7AR2byxI4


I've heard of him but what makes you think I'm looking for answers?

I'm stating the t***h about God's existence to anyone who I come in contact with...that's all. My "mission" given to me by Christ Himself is to proclaim the t***h...and so I do.

The interesting thing is...the folks who claim that there is no God and mock Christians know that God exists for the same reason that I do...God has made it plain to every human who ever existed. So they claim that He doesn't exist but their actions betray that they do. They claim that we are all just cosmic broccoli floating around in space but if I were to take their wallet, they'd be mad as if I'd done something morally wrong! Logically morals cannot be derived from a purely materialistic universe, only from God and God has written His moral code on the heart of every human who ever lived..and so with every post about somebody foisting their beliefs on others and how it's wrong, they illustrate God's existence by their actions.

I wasn't always saved...I was unsaved for most of my life...I've been on the other side of the fence, hurling mockery, making arguments..the whole thing so I can say with certainty...I knew that God existed and they do to.

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Mar 8, 2019 09:18:39   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Angmo wrote:
Read some books. You’ll be really smart too. Make sure they are smart books. Not leftie books.


I was actually kind of giving you props for stating a t***h for once....that the earth is not round and its orbit isn't circular.

We don't get t***h or fact from you very often, so it was nice to see.

Its just too bad you chose such an obvious and widely known pair of facts to state in such a boldly informative manner...much like Lord Fluffy does on the rare occasion where he can tell the t***h.

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Mar 8, 2019 09:26:38   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
cascoly wrote:
you got it backwards -- it's up to those who make claims to prove them -- eg, fundamentalist claims of young earth and a real adam & eve

same for gods - those who claim to know such a being are the ones who need to supply proof

science has rational descriptions for how evolution, gravity, thermodynamics, etc work without any need to invoke any gods


You sir made the claim that Adam and Eve were myths you bare the responsibility to back up your claim

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Mar 8, 2019 09:29:10   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
The Bible is not random this is a long video.
Watch up to the first twelve minutes.
Please don’t tell me this man pulled it out of his rear he had a scientific background

http://youtu.be/RYkL7iA6OrU

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Mar 8, 2019 09:30:32   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
rpavich wrote:
I've heard of him but what makes you think I'm looking for answers?

I'm stating the t***h about God's existence to anyone who I come in contact with...that's all. My "mission" given to me by Christ Himself is to proclaim the t***h...and so I do.

The interesting thing is...the folks who claim that there is no God and mock Christians know that God exists for the same reason that I do...God has made it plain to every human who ever existed. So they claim that He doesn't exist but their actions betray that they do. They claim that we are all just cosmic broccoli floating around in space but if I were to take their wallet, they'd be mad as if I'd done something morally wrong! Logically morals cannot be derived from a purely materialistic universe, only from God and God has written His moral code on the heart of every human who ever lived..and so with every post about somebody foisting their beliefs on others and how it's wrong, they illustrate God's existence by their actions.

I wasn't always saved...I was unsaved for most of my life...I've been on the other side of the fence, hurling mockery, making arguments..the whole thing so I can say with certainty...I knew that God existed and they do to.
I've heard of him but what makes you think I'm loo... (show quote)


Gotcha my brutha 👍🏾

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Mar 8, 2019 09:33:04   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
soba1 wrote:
Gotcha my brutha 👍🏾


No harm no foul :)

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Mar 8, 2019 09:33:19   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
rpavich wrote:
I've heard of him but what makes you think I'm looking for answers?

I'm stating the t***h about God's existence to anyone who I come in contact with...that's all. My "mission" given to me by Christ Himself is to proclaim the t***h...and so I do.

The interesting thing is...the folks who claim that there is no God and mock Christians know that God exists for the same reason that I do...God has made it plain to every human who ever existed. So they claim that He doesn't exist but their actions betray that they do. They claim that we are all just cosmic broccoli floating around in space but if I were to take their wallet, they'd be mad as if I'd done something morally wrong! Logically morals cannot be derived from a purely materialistic universe, only from God and God has written His moral code on the heart of every human who ever lived..and so with every post about somebody foisting their beliefs on others and how it's wrong, they illustrate God's existence by their actions.

I wasn't always saved...I was unsaved for most of my life...I've been on the other side of the fence, hurling mockery, making arguments..the whole thing so I can say with certainty...I knew that God existed and they do to.
I've heard of him but what makes you think I'm loo... (show quote)


Some get upset with me for contending for the faith.
My point is if you don’t like it don’t bring up the subject.
Because I will defend it.

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Mar 8, 2019 09:37:04   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
StanMac wrote:
Prove that he/she does. Don't forget that “faith” is the key word where religion is concerned. There’s no tangible proof - just faith in the existence of an omniscient spirit.

Stan


My friend you made the statement, I’m just asking you to admit you can’t prove he exists

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Mar 8, 2019 09:39:00   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
davyboy wrote:
My friend you made the statement, I’m just asking you to admit you can’t prove he exists


Challenge the first 12 min
http://youtu.be/RYkL7iA6OrU

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Mar 8, 2019 09:39:29   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
D-Train wrote:
Yeah right, I suppose it's "f**e news", right? I didn't get that info from CNN. Just check all of the posts on Twitter and Facebook. You've obviously been watching too much Fox News. Maybe that's why you're blurryeyed?

There is one conservative talking head that I happen to agree with. Ann Coulter said: "The only National Emergency is that our President is an i***t".

And here I was thinking I'd never agree with anything that ever came out of her mouth. I stand corrected.
Yeah right, I suppose it's "f**e news", ... (show quote)


I believe Oboma called 13 national emergencys

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Mar 8, 2019 09:41:20   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
soba1 wrote:
Some get upset with me for contending for the faith.
My point is if you don’t like it don’t bring up the subject.
Because I will defend it.


Lol...I wasn't upset, I was just asking why you thought I was looking for answers, that's all. I'm not upset at anyone for contending for the faith my brother.

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Mar 8, 2019 09:43:42   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
D-Train wrote:
I don’t think many conservatives know how to read. That’s why they go to church to have someone read the Bible to them and then tell them what it means. I’ve personally read more than 350 books over the past 10 years. Yes, I keep track and have a Word document listing each book and the date I finished it. None of them are “leftie” books. Only fiction books, you know, like the Bible.


I see your from Oregon. One of the most crazy liberal states in the USA! Have you guys ever considered leaving the union you would really make a wonderful country!

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Mar 8, 2019 09:50:32   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
rpavich wrote:
Lol...I wasn't upset, I was just asking why you thought I was looking for answers, that's all. I'm not upset at anyone for contending for the faith my brother.


Lol nooooo I got you. I was talking about a couple of people who seem to get upset with me. They post articles about God or Christianity trying to denigrate the body. Then get upset with me when I contend for my faith with scripture.

I mistook what you were saying is all.

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Mar 8, 2019 09:59:51   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
My friend, that was not my post, so please either delete or correct yours.

I have seen many people make it through very tough times with their religious beliefs giving them strength to pull through, I was raised to be a Christian and actually saw no problem with the basic tenants of Christianity, I just could not rationalize god and when you consider all the religions of the world it is hard to say one has more validity than the other. There is that and the whole thing about having to believe in Jesus Christ as your savior, the god I would choose to believe in would be a bit more understanding than that.
My friend, that was not my post, so please either ... (show quote)


God is infinite its hard for a finite mind of man to wrap his mind around. Why must you go there? I was just like you only with wind l chased it for years still don’t know what it looks like

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