BebuLamar

What I meant is that Nikon has the F6 so they would have the D6 but Nikon didn't have the F7 so I think there is no D7.

As you can see the F6 was introduced at the same time as Nikon second generation of the D which was the D2. So I think the D6 would be about the same time as the second generation of the Z but there will be no more D.

Bipod

Right--when digging a hole, it doesn't matter whether you are using a garden trowel,
a backhoe, or a giant excavator. What matters is the operator.

What utter nonsense.

Each piece of equipment has limitations. That also applies to smartphones.
You need the right size equipment for the job.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Please stop your abuse.

It shows how ignorant you are about photography.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

It’s a false equivalency. That analogy doesn’t fly. And you’re quoting a guy that thinks crop factor affects aperture.

MickyB

As a photographer since 1969 I think a lot of good points have been made here but,... I'll say this. Try taking photos of fast flying birds with your cell phone and tell me how many good results you get, if any. Low light, slow operation, restricted focal lengths, noisy enlargements etc,etc. Yeah, they've come a long way but... the real issue as I see it is that in most of the photo composition classes that I teach most smartphone users are simply not that serious about what they are doing. Those that are, mostly use the smartphone in conjunction with a DSLR via the wifi. There simply is a lot that is difficult if not impossible otherwise. My other observation is that those that choose to make a serious endeavor will move up to an entry level DSLR. And take a course on how to use it's full potential.
Ansel Adams was once asked what is the best camera to use? His reply, "The one you have with you." The manufacturers have made gazillions of bucks with everything from the Brownie to the Instamatics and on to today's smartphones. They have all had their place for the snap shooter. And all have the capability to make usable images.
What bothers me the most is not so much the smartphones but what is looming on the horizon. Our society in general seems to be buying into the concept of, "I don't have to know anything about the fundementals of anything, the technology will take care of that". This was the marketing concept behind all those super whizzbangers of the late 1980's to early 90's. Anyone could hang a 35mm slr around their neck and look like they knew what they were doing. History does seem to repeat itself.

blackest Loc: Ireland

Cell phone lens tends towards a field of view of a 28mm the "telephoto" lens about 56mm but they are fast lens. If you took a top DSLR with a 28mm Lens and tried to take photos of fast flying birds how well would you do? Cell phone cameras are now doing a burst mode that starts before you press the shutter button. They can add a 3d depth map to give a 3d photo. They can easily be remotely operated place the phone near your bird table...

There is a place for all kinds of camera's it just depends on what result you are looking for.

anotherview Loc: California

Generally, the cell phone camera has become the Brownie camera of our time. It delights snapshooters.

They like to take a shot of their meal when dining out. They positively love to take selfies. They will snap a picture of anything that interests them. They enjoy apps (applications) that enable them to manipulate their pictures for fun. A picture taken with a cell phone camera can be quickly attached to a text message or an e-mail. The cellular telephone with camera has become a social instrument.

Microsoft has come out with a free app (Office Lens) that photographs a document and then automatically straightens the image and produces readable text; further, this app can save an image to several different useful formats. My DSLR cannot do this trick with one push of a button.

And so on.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Is not the term for the new era " Computational Photography " .

crushr13 Loc: Sacramento, CA

And while you need the right equipment for the job, many photo people say the best camera is the one you have with you, which most times, is a smartphone.

I find that most times this works out fine. If it does not, I go get a better camera and come back to get the shot I want. And since most people don't carry a top level DSLR with them all of the time, the smartphone tends to get the job done. At least for the time being.

Also, many phone cameras now have a lot of the additional features that DSLRs have, though the sensor will never be the same.

I guess it all depends on what you want or need to get that shot. And though I am learning more advanced photography right now, many times, the smartphone camera will do it for me, at least for the time being. It all depends on what you want at the time and long term for each shot you want to take. And when you don't have time to go back to get what you NEED (or feel you need), but you don't want to miss the shot, and use what you have.

MickyB

I don't use a bird table. Nor do I feel the need for doing post. I consider it a crutch for what should have been done at the time of capture as many other of my professional peers do. I'm shooting at 600mm handheld most of the time. I think you are,(to be frank)' comparing apples to oranges. Try your stated method with hummingbirds for sellable images... good luck! Which by the way, I sell lots of them. Cheers,M

blackest Loc: Ireland

seriously did i mention hummers? Thats absurd, as daft as suggesting you could use that 600mm underwater , good luck doing that.

MickyB

I was attempting to clarify a point as to the use dictated by my needs. Again, I think you were comparing apples to oranges in the original post.
I've noticed that there seems to be trend in UHH users to resort to use of derogatory responses when confronted with a difference of opinion.
As for using the 600mm lens underwater my response is HUH? And what did that have to do with anything? I do use an underwater camera but as I recall our original post had to do with bird photos for the most part.
My experience thus far with UHH has been at best "sometimes interesting". Now I realize why many of my friends gave me that strange look when I had mentioned UHH to them as a potential source of info.
This leads me to the conclusion that any further endeavor associated with UHH is clearly a waste of time. ADIOS!

blackest Loc: Ireland

We seem to be talking but not communicating. I'll try again and hope you are not just trolling me.

The point was that a 600mm lens can be a great lens but probably not a great choice for underwater photography. I was basically mirroring your hummers and cell phones argument.

Or maybe using a bicycle to get to work is a good idea , it helps keep you fit more environmentally friendly ect... I then come back and say thats a stupid idea i have to travel 44 miles each way to get to work what kind of idiot thinks i should do that on a bicycle. On the other hand joe has a 2 mile trip in bumper to bumper traffic. A bicycle may even save him an hour a day sitting in traffic getting ready for his first heart attack...

I guess what i'm trying to say is that in suitable circumstances a tool can be useful. Just because there are circumstances where a tool is inappropriate doesn't negate where it is useful.

Or maybe lets state the obvious photographing hummers with a cell phone is just not going to work, i never said it would. Some bird photography it could work well, a remotely operated cell phone could be operated without scaring the bird where a dslr with attached photographer wouldn't get close.

I suggest we have been arguing Reductio Ad Absurdum* which can be kind of fun, but doesn't get us very far.

https://msu.edu/user/blmiller/BasicLogic/DeductiveArguments.htm

I hope this helps