DrSteve2 Loc: Londonderry, PA USA

Thanks! I do have the updated OS and I think your suggestion is very good. As a precautionary measure I'll start moving the files.
Best regards.

VABob

I still use Aperture and believe it will be good until this fall when it will not work in 32 bit system. I;'ve talked to Aperture support a couple of years ago (still a few people in that group) and gave me some hints to NOT use referenced files, but to import into Aperture, but keep the library on an external drive. Rebuild the database whenever there is a crash. That has kept Aperture running. I'm using Luminar for much of the editing as they have plugins that can be setup in Aperture and the edited files come back and live in Aperture. Luminar 3 is new and not quite ready to use their library feature, but supposed to be "much better" before the end of Feb. Give it a free trial and you will be amazed how intuitive it is for Aperture die hard fans. I'm also using ON1 Photo Raw 2019, and that works fairly well, except it is not as Mac friendly as the Luminar. I bet you become addicted to the ease of using Luminar "Looks" presets. Data base is different as it reads your files and catalogs them from file folders of Raw files. Neither program imports Aperture edits, but solved that by exporting .tiffs from Aperture old images and just dealing with last two years of images. It's given me time to delete old & duplicate images as I wait for Aperture to be put to sleep.

GrahamO

I always enjoy a good joke. Have you tried “Photos” in Mojave? Paying a subscription to Adobe for LightRoom is a bad joke in my opinion.

GrahamO

“Photos” on the iPad is very basic. The only time I use iPad “Photos” is if I’m away from a computer. Because I shoot RAW I sometimes do a RAW to Jpeg conversion in my Canon camera. This produces an additional jepeg image on the memory card without affecting the original RAW. Then I load this new jepeg into the iPad, do some basic editing which is pretty easy. And then send it wherever I want to by cellular or wifi. I don’t keep too many images in the iPad and after I erase images I go to “recently deleted” in “albums” then erase all of them that are otherwise saved for 30 days or so. Too many images saved in an iPad creates problems with storage.

“Photos” on a Mac in Mojave is quite different from an iPad. If you open all the options and maybe also use some extensions for “Photos” from the Apple store you will get very good results.

xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada

Luminar.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

Well I am glad to hear that photos on the computer has improved.

Apple ditched Aperture, like a kid who is tired of a toy. Photos was not even close to a replacement at that time. So the Aperture users were left twisting in the wind. Apple is not a software company. Apple will develop software when they see a specific need that can sell their product, but they abandon it when real software companies fill the void. They have done this time and again. Their only consistent long term software product is MacOS.

I love my Mac and I loved Aperture, but I learned my lesson. I buy my software from companies who's "bread and butter" is software.

GrahamO

I used Aperture too. Things change and there was an easy migration to Photos which was quite basic at first
but now it’s quite solid. So if you’ve got a subscription to LightRoom, I’m interested to know what happens to your 10,000 images saved there if you decide you don’t want to keep paying? This is a serious question.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

I am glad you had the time to wait for Apple to "Catch up" the software to your needs. I did not have that much patience. What Apple did was completely irresponsible to their Aperture customers.

I am a happy CC subscriber I do not plan to stop paying. But in answer to your question:

ALL of my +30,000 images are saved on my computer. And also on 3 backup volumes kept in different locations. Next question?

GrahamO

Thank you JD75, I’m glad that you’re glad that I had time. Adobe will also be glad that you want to keep paying them. Though some other folk may not want to. So in the hypothetical situation that you don’t want to continue your Light Room subscription for whatever reason, and you have your photos backed up (similar to me) ; what will you do then? How will you re-edit existing photos (eg. you may wish to print in a different aspect ratio) and how will you edit new ones?

JD750 Loc: SoCal

What if you have Lightroom CC images stored on the cloud and you decide to stop subscribing?

Adobe says "Lightroom on desktop will continue to launch and allow access to your files after your membership ends. However, the Develop and Map modules are disabled. Also, after your membership ends, synchronization with Lightroom on mobile devices will no longer function”

However they dont' say for how long. There is some chatter on the "ethernet" that says there may be a limit to that.
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2197282

Also per Adobe:
o After you cancel, you continue to have access to a free Creative Cloud membership.

o You no longer have access to your Creative Cloud applications, nor most of the services included in your paid Creative Cloud plan subscription.

o your cloud storage is reduced to 2 GB. If you're over your storage limit, you have 90 days to reduce your online usage. After 90 days, you could lose access to some or all of your files saved on the Creative Cloud servers. To learn about your storage, see How do I know how much storage I've used?
https://helpx.adobe.com/manage-account/using/cancel-creative-cloud-subscription.html

The safest thing of course would be to download all the images before ending your membership.

As for re-editing existing edited images, you would need to export them as TIFFs to save the edited work and preserve options for further editing. But I had to do that with Aperture in 2014. I believe that will be true of any non-destructive editing program.

via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP

Hi, I tried Aperture for a very short period of time several years ago. When I was introduced to LR by a well-known photographer I quickly converted to using it as my primary program. When you hear someone "trash" the application it is most likely because they could never figure out the Library Module, which is the heart of the application. If you were to take the time to read the online menu from Adobe on LR, especially the Library Module, prior to using the application you might find that using the application is easier than you thought. As with any program we use to process our files we need to know that program completely in order to get most effective and efficient use out of it. LR meets about 85% of the majority of my processing needs and I then use other applications such as PS, Luminar, ON1 to do whatever it is I want to do that LR cannot do. No application does it all, but LR does almost everything you'll need. You can, apparently, see below, get some instructions from the LR application to migrate your Aperture files. Having a filing system that you know and adhere to will save you much grief no matter which program you use.

(Download)

GrahamO

Thanks JD750; As I recall Aperture had a simple option to “switch libraries” between Aperture and Photos.
My real question is; in this hypothetical situation of canceling your LR subscription, then saving your images presumably to an EXHD, which would be your preferred editing software program to continue with? eg. Luminar, PSE etc. etc.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

Ok in answer to your question, it is not cheap, but I would probably take a good look at Capture One.

There were not as many choices when I switched in 2014, I tired several, and I narrowed it down to, the Adobe Photographers plan which was LR + PS and Bridge at the time, and Capture One Pro 7. I tried both for a year. I really liked the crisp raw rendering results of Capture One. I got results I liked, more "punch" but not excessive, faster with less effort than with PS or LR.

But in the end I liked what Adobe was doing with it's business model, the "Cloud", pushing out real time updates, over the internet. No waiting months for a major release. They offered LR for light editing and cataloging, and PS for heavy lifting. I had used PS Elements prior to adapting Aperture, so I had some familiarity with "Photoshop Lite", but I could never justify the price. Now PS itself was included in the Photographers Plan. My new at the time Camera was quickly supported by Adobe, but not by Phase One. I was advised I would have had to buy the next version to get raw support. That rubbed me a little raw. ;) So at the end of a year I went with Adobe. The price is still the same now as it was when I started. And they have added a lot of features, LR CC, Mobile Apps, the Portfolio. I'm a happy customer.

Aperture is still the best for organizing/cataloging/keywords. RIP.

GrahamO

Thank you JD750.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

You're welcome.

Most all of the softwares have free demos. I recommend you make a "Trial" folder. Copy the original images of things you have processed in Aperture into to the folder. Raw, JPEG, etc. Originals where you have an idea of what you want to do. Then copy the "Trial" folder to other folders Trial_Luminar, Trial_PSE, etc, one for each demo software you try. Then use the demo softwares, one at a time on the trial folder and see how you like them for editing, saving, printing sharing etc. It will take some time but a winner will emerge. Pick the one you like and delete all the trial folders and you are on your way to the future. ;)