Protecting yourself and your equipment while out in the Wilds
Feb 12, 2019 13:41:33 #
tdekany wrote:
Almost all shootings? br br Mike, please stop dr... (show quote)
"Everyone has a gun" - which is certainly true here in farm country - is not the same as "everyone carries."
Yes, if one were not afraid of being harmed they would not be worrying about self defense. Nothing wrong with self defense, of course, nor with protection of loved ones and the vulnerable.
I am not saying that everyone who carries is too paranoid and fearful. I am saying that paranoid people carrying represent a potential hazard, and that people here are expressing paranoia.
Mike
Feb 12, 2019 13:46:03 #
tdekany wrote:
Those men and women should have chosen a different line of work.
Nothing to do with people who carry lawfully.
Nothing to do with people who carry lawfully.
I agree, but the problem is much bigger than that. The common defense - "I was afraid, so I fired" - is widely accepted as a legitimate reason for k*****g another person. You say they should have chosen another line of work. What line of work should they have chosen? One in which they were not armed? If so, I think you just made my point for me.
Now, if within a highly trained group of professional law enforcement officers this is a problem, that there are people who "should have chosen a different line of work" because they over react, how much greater must that problem be among the general population, whipped up into unreasonable fear and suspicion that is not based on the actual risks?
"Carrying lawfully" you say. People on this thread are saying that law enforcement tells them to just carry and not worry about the law. Should law enforcement officers who say that find a different line of work, do you think?
Mike
Feb 12, 2019 14:12:39 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
If someone gets too close and you say, "Stop, or I'll shoot" but the person doesn't stop and you k**l or injure him, and then you find out he was having a medical emergency (for example, prescription drug interaction, stroke), will you feel bad?
Are there statistics on how many two-legged thieves wander around the wilds hoping to stumble into someone with expensive camera gear?
Are there statistics on how many two-legged thieves wander around the wilds hoping to stumble into someone with expensive camera gear?
Police in our city shot an autistic boy a few years ago for playing with a stick that looked only slightly like a gun. They had commanded him to "drop the gun" several times. He had no idea they were even talking to him.
Feb 12, 2019 14:26:41 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
"Everyone has a gun" - which is certainl... (show quote)
How about paranoid people possessing cars/trucks? You see plenty of road rage, but that doesn’t mean that cars should not be driven .
Feb 12, 2019 14:33:02 #
Feb 12, 2019 14:40:04 #
tdekany wrote:
How about paranoid people possessing cars/trucks? You see plenty of road rage, but that doesn’t mean that cars should not be driven .
Or whaddabout houses? Huh? Whaddabout those? Maybe houses shouldn't be lived in because some of the people living in them might be paranoid.
I did not say that firearms should not be owned or used because some people are paranoid. Had I made that argument, you most certainly would have demolished it pretty thoroughly with your witty retort. Well done.
I have not objected to anyone owning nor with them carrying. I have criticized the OP because this thread belongs in another section, I have criticized the deceptive way a politicized "culture war" topic was introduced here, and I have criticized the fear mongering and the irrationality. For example, "a law enforcement officer told me to ignore the law" and "it is OK if law abiding citizens break the law."
I have also suggested that it might be a good idea if people wallowing in fear, suspicion, ignorance, irrationality and deception were not armed. I am not advocating preventing them from being armed, but rather I am objecting to people encouraging them to be armed.
Mike
Feb 12, 2019 14:44:25 #
Feb 12, 2019 14:50:26 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Or whaddabout houses? Huh? Whaddabout those? Maybe... (show quote)
Mile, you can report the post to be moved and admin is very good at being on top of these things.
Feb 12, 2019 15:30:11 #
tdekany wrote:
Mile, you can report the post to be moved and admin is very good at being on top of these things.
Thanks, but as it turns out I am having way too much fun.
Now, if someone could just post a photograph of themselves out there in the wilds, armed and in shooting position, we could get back to talking about photography. Or, perhaps now that we have phones that have cameras built into them, maybe the next step for American consumerism is to have cameras built into rifles or handguns. "Shooting" would take on a whole new meaning. With face recognition technically and WIFI, and app, voice activated, could be designed to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys out on the trail to determine who should be summarily executed when they are encountered. We could discuss that. "Google, is that a good guy or a bad guy?"
Mike
Feb 12, 2019 18:55:30 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
<snip> You say they should have chosen another line of work. What line of work should they have chosen? One in which they were not armed? If so, I think you just made my point for me.
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One in which they are not afraid.
Feb 12, 2019 19:15:31 #
Feb 12, 2019 20:56:53 #
The inability, or unwillingness to accurately assess relative risks makes people less safe, as well as more dangerous to others.
V**ers’ perceptions of crime continue to conflict with reality
Since 1989, Gallup has asked respondents whether they think there is more or less crime in the U.S., compared with the year before. In 21 of the 22 years Gallup asked this question, a larger share of respondents said there was more crime. Only in 2001 did roughly equal shares of respondents say there was more crime (41%) versus less (43%). (Gallup has also asked Americans since 1972 whether there was more or less crime in their area; in all but six years, a substantially larger share said crime was up.)
These polling trends stand in sharp contrast to the long-term crime trends reported by the FBI and BJS. Both agencies have documented big decreases in violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s, when U.S. crime rates reached their peak. The BJS data, for instance, show that violent and property crime levels in 2015 were 77% and 69% below their 1993 levels, respectively.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/16/v**ers-perceptions-of-crime-continue-to-conflict-with-reality/
V**ers’ perceptions of crime continue to conflict with reality
Since 1989, Gallup has asked respondents whether they think there is more or less crime in the U.S., compared with the year before. In 21 of the 22 years Gallup asked this question, a larger share of respondents said there was more crime. Only in 2001 did roughly equal shares of respondents say there was more crime (41%) versus less (43%). (Gallup has also asked Americans since 1972 whether there was more or less crime in their area; in all but six years, a substantially larger share said crime was up.)
These polling trends stand in sharp contrast to the long-term crime trends reported by the FBI and BJS. Both agencies have documented big decreases in violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s, when U.S. crime rates reached their peak. The BJS data, for instance, show that violent and property crime levels in 2015 were 77% and 69% below their 1993 levels, respectively.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/16/v**ers-perceptions-of-crime-continue-to-conflict-with-reality/
Feb 13, 2019 08:41:50 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
The inability, or unwillingness to accurately assess relative risks makes people less safe, as well as more dangerous to others.
V**ers’ perceptions of crime continue to conflict with reality
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V**ers’ perceptions of crime continue to conflict with reality
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Of people polled?
-I don't see or hear about crime, so it must be low....
-I see or hear about crime everyday so it must be high...
How accurate are opinion polls.
Feb 13, 2019 09:05:41 #
Longshadow wrote:
Of people polled?
-I don't see or hear about crime, so it must be low....
-I see or hear about crime everyday so it must be high...
How accurate are opinion polls.
-I don't see or hear about crime, so it must be low....
-I see or hear about crime everyday so it must be high...
How accurate are opinion polls.
Regarding opinions they are accurate. Which is the point. The opinions are out of line with objectively gathered actual crime data.
People think that crime is worse when in fact it is not.
Feb 13, 2019 15:53:33 #
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