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Feb 10, 2019 18:25:40   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
rjaywallace wrote:
One vote for the hybrid viewfinder on Fujifilm cameras - gives you your choice and the best of both worlds, optical and electronic


With my X100s hybrid finder, I had trouble discerning which one I was using. It was that good!

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Feb 10, 2019 18:29:38   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Are you concerned with lag time? There is no issue!

The below were shot with Olympus EM10 M4/3 camera and M. Zuiko 75-300 mm lens. Live-time exposure, ultra-clear EVF.


Those are very nice images indeed. I have read that the Fuji lenses are also excellent, but would EVF track these....


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Feb 10, 2019 18:46:23   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Those are very nice images indeed. I have read that the Fuji lenses are also excellent, but would EVF track these....
I'm not sure Below #1 is the closest I've tried to track. #2 is slightly cropped, from 235 mm - which would be 470 mm equiv angle of view. And with both I was able to anticipate their flight paths.


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Feb 10, 2019 18:53:53   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I'm not sure Below #1 is the closest I've tried to track. #2 is slightly cropped, from 235 mm - which would be 470 mm equiv angle of view. And with both I was able to anticipate their flight paths.


It is my understanding that they don't work as well, it is hard enough to track with an optical view finder but if your camera is lagging and you are shooting multiple shots I have read that it is impossible. I only shoot short bursts, 2 or 3 frames when tracking BIF because simply putting the hammer down on high speed shutter does not work at all.

Personally I love my X-T2, it is an amazing camera but my investment in Canon is 5 figures and I am not going to buy the expensive lenses for the Fuji when I already have many of the very best lenses for my Canons.

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Feb 10, 2019 18:56:17   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
It is my understanding that they don't work as well, it is hard enough to track with an optical view finder but if your camera is lagging and you are shooting multiple shots I have read that it is impossible. I only shoot short bursts, 2 or 3 frames when tracking BIF because simply putting the hammer down on high speed shutter does not work at all.

Personally I love my X-T2, it is an amazing camera but my investment in Canon is 5 figures and I am not going to buy the expensive lenses for the Fuji when I already have many of the very best lenses for my Canons.
It is my understanding that they don't work as wel... (show quote)
Thanks, I will have to check into this further. Actually have done very little photography for a year!

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Feb 10, 2019 19:16:19   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Been shooting Nikon DSLRs for many years, since the D1x was introduced.. I bought a Z6 just to see what mirrorless is really all about.

I don't want a whole bunch of extra info in the viewfinder so I turned it off. Once I got the EVF set the way I want it, switching back and forth is seamless. While using the D850 and Z6 the other day, one with a 24-70 and one with a 400, I never gave the viewfinder a second thought.

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Feb 10, 2019 19:41:11   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
CO wrote:
I rented the new Nikon Z6 for two weeks recently and did comparisons with my D500 DSLR. Nikon did a great job with the EVF on the Z6 but some things still bother me. When panning, you can see that the refresh rate is not fast enough. The image is still jittery when panning. It's a 3.6 million dot EVF but scenery further away looks grainy. Objects closer to the camera look sharp and highly detailed but further back things start looking grainy.

I can see the advantages of mirrorless since the viewfinder is WYSIWYG. I still want to see what's in those shadow areas though. An EVF might render the shadow area very dark or black. With the OVF, you'll see more details in the shadows.
I rented the new Nikon Z6 for two weeks recently a... (show quote)


Also, the contrast can be set on the EVF. This could allow you to actually see more detail in the shadows, not less. There was a time I was shooting late into the evening. My EVF was getting too dark to really see anything accurately so I decided to do it visually. Except once I removed my eye from the EVF, I could not see any details that I saw in the EVF. As a result, I realized it was now too dark to really be shooting without a tripod. So I pulled out my flashlight and went back to the hotel.

In low light, EVF has a very distinct advantage over OVF.

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Feb 10, 2019 19:44:41   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
mas24 wrote:
I don't own a mirrorless camera. My Nikon DSLR has an optical viewfinder. Mirrorless cameras have electronic viewfinders. I have read on this forum, that some don't like the EVF. Especially, if you're accustomed to the OVF. Is one really better than the other?


Depends on what you want and need.

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Feb 10, 2019 20:17:54   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Depends on what you want and need.


Yes. That has already been mentioned. There are advantages to both viewfinders.

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Feb 10, 2019 21:11:03   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
mas24 wrote:
I don't own a mirrorless camera. My Nikon DSLR has an optical viewfinder. Mirrorless cameras have electronic viewfinders. I have read on this forum, that some don't like the EVF. Especially, if you're accustomed to the OVF. Is one really better than the other?


I like the focus peaking, highlight warning (zebra stripes), brightness in low light, and histogram preview in my Sony's EVF. I actually prefer it to my Nikon DSLR OVF. The EVF technology certainly has come a long way.

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Feb 10, 2019 22:29:22   #
Bipod
 
mas24 wrote:
I don't own a mirrorless camera. My Nikon DSLR has an optical viewfinder. Mirrorless cameras have electronic viewfinders. I have read on this forum, that some don't like the EVF. Especially, if you're accustomed to the OVF. Is one really better than the other?

If you are bothered by batteries that last too long without a recharge,
EVF will solve that problem. OVF current drain is 0 mA.

Or if you've always been wishing for a time lag in your viewfinder.
OVF delay is 0 uS.

Finally, if your OVF was too sharp and contrasty, EVF will fix that too.
OVF matched the resolution and contrast of the human eye. EVF can't
even match the image sensor performance.

Remember, the screen on the OVF is maybe 1/30th to 1/50th the area of
the computer monitor you're reading this one. How well would you like
using just one tiny corner of your monitor?

But only one thing matters: EVF requies less labor to assemble, reducing
the camera manufacture's unit cost. Of course, they pocket this savings--
and will do anything to get you to switch.

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Feb 10, 2019 22:36:59   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
It is my understanding that they don't work as well, it is hard enough to track with an optical view finder but if your camera is lagging and you are shooting multiple shots I have read that it is impossible. I only shoot short bursts, 2 or 3 frames when tracking BIF because simply putting the hammer down on high speed shutter does not work at all.

Personally I love my X-T2, it is an amazing camera but my investment in Canon is 5 figures and I am not going to buy the expensive lenses for the Fuji when I already have many of the very best lenses for my Canons.
It is my understanding that they don't work as wel... (show quote)


Hope Linda still looking in. I went to my grandson's half triathlon with my E-M1mrII, 14-54, and 50-200. I tried shooting the bike portion by viewfinder and just panning. I doubt my success rate was over 50%. I then pulled out the EE-1 Dot Sight that I had just purchased and had not used yet. Even without any instructions, with just the factory set up, I would estimate my shooting percentages were about 80% with a high majority of the focus right on. This was even with shutter speeds of 1/30 and 1/15. Since this has been the only time I have had to use it, I don't have any other experience with this. But my technique is reasonably good and I would expect to be able to reporduce similar results again. If you are not using a tripod, and handholding, I would recommend using a dot sight like the EE-1. I think it helped having the E-M1mrII for it's focus abilities, but it still helps to augment it's abilities with something like a dot sight.

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Feb 10, 2019 22:39:05   #
CO
 
burkphoto wrote:
In my experience, the exact opposite is true. Because my GH4 has a feature called i.Dynamic, not only is the shadow range in the photo amplified, but you see it in the viewfinder the way it will be rendered.

EVFs are particularly useful for video production. I have a level. I have audio peak level meters. I can view the scene and pull focus manually by dragging my finger across the dark OLED touch screen. I have a live histogram, in monochrome or RGB graphs. I have full status information.

Another benefit is that I can use my iPhone 7 Plus as a viewfinder and remotely control the camera, via WiFi. This makes it possible to do all sorts of things that were iffy with the dSLRs and SLRs I used to use.
In my experience, the exact opposite is true. Beca... (show quote)


i.Dynamic seems like a great feature. I don't think the Nikon mirrorless cameras have that. The Nikon Z6 does have menu option D8: Apply settings to live view. If I turn that off, it would brighten the EVF in dim light conditions. That was necessary when I used one of my studio strobes and used PocketWizard radios to trigger the strobe. I put the Z6 in manual mode and entered the light meter readings from the strobe light. That resulted in a dark viewfinder until I turned option D8 off.

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Feb 10, 2019 22:55:39   #
CO
 
wdross wrote:
CO, did they include a manual with it? Refresh rates usually can be changed to meet ones needs. My original E-M5 was set to 30fps which I went in and changed to the maximum of 60fps. This mimicked an OVF with very little difference. Supposedly the higher frame rate takes more battery power, but it was of such a small difference I never detected it battery wise. Just carried a spare and threw it in when the first ran out. Never needed more than the two fully charged batteries for a day's worth of shooting. Now I have the E-M1mrII. It comes with the frame rate set to 120fps and can be set to a slower speed to save battery drain. But I am not sure why anyone would do that. My two batteries last even longer with my E-M1mrII than with the old E-M5. Plus, with time lag of 0.05 seconds for the E-M1mrII (same as for the EOS-1DX), there is so little difference to me that it is not a consideration.
CO, did they include a manual with it? Refresh rat... (show quote)


I downloaded the user's manual for the Z6 but I didn't see any options for changing the refresh rate. That's not to say that it isn't there.

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Feb 10, 2019 22:58:47   #
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Bill_de wrote:

Been shooting Nikon DSLRs for many years, .....
While using the D850 and Z6 the other day, one
with a 24-70 and one with a 400, I never gave
the viewfinder a second thought.
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You should read a lot more negative reviews
instead of wasting your time actually using it,
cuz you are just way too satisfied.







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