tomcat

"Even the enzymes, proteins, and amino acids existed before earth was formed, and deposited by meteorite/comet collisions".

Now that is without a doubt, the stupidest thing you have said in this whole conversation thread. If the early earth had all of these collisions, then why did they stop colliding with earth? The last major one that hit Russia didn't bring anything significant with it....lol

davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.

And you said it’s not you my friend bare the responsibility to supply da proof

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

I'll supply proof.

Without presupposing God (the God of the bible) you can't prove anything. God is the necessary precondition for the intelligibility of all human experience.

Name anything....God must be presupposed for it to exist; logic, morality, knowledge, matter....everything.

If you don't start with God you cannot justify the existence of anything. I'd love to see you try. Pick one thing, let's say logic.

Explain how (in a purely material universe where all is just matter-in-motion without God) the laws of logic should exist at all.

These invariant, abstract, universally binding, transcendent laws...

Explain their origin.

Justify their existence.

Christians can....can you?

We'll see who's holding the logical rational worldview and who's not.

n3eg Loc: West coast USA

And one more time...God created evolution a few billion years ago. And in the last 6000 years, he's told some pretty dumb people some really cool stories because they didn't understand science. Everyone can be happy now.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

No...not everyone. Only those who don't care what's true or not...they can bury their head in the sand and be happy for now.

What a non-answer.

tomcat

I can argue the existence of God with my fellow scientists because I can convince them that evolution did not create the sodium-potassium pump that moves ions across a cell membrane against a cell gradient. I can also ask them to explain how they believe that evolution created or designed the shape specifics of a red blood cell that enables them to pass through a capillary blood vessel (in layman's terms, it's the equivalent of trying to push a tennis ball through a ¾" garden hose---ha.) I cannot argue against evolution with an ignorant person. If you can see my point, arguing against evolution and big bang with the common lay-man is a frustration in futility. You need a skilled scientific mind in a discussion to argue the biochemical specifics of cellular life. Most of the population is so ignorant about the workings of a cell and life that they just cannot grasp the complexity of the biological processes and how the frequent occurrences of "evolutionary chance mutation" would end it all literally in a heartbeat, destroying everything and making the process start all over again. Instead non-believers would rather rely on their inability to physically see that there really is a God and thus use that to keep from facing the reality of a power higher than they are. They would rather grasp failed science theories than admit they accept God. I have seen things in the microscope that convince me that He is the only thing that designed this world. That's enough ranting for now and why I don't challenge these folks here. My granddaddy said to never argue with a fool because he will only bring you down to his level and you both will look stupid.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Which is one more good reason to not talk about evidence with unbelievers.

The other (and better reason) is that God says that they already have all of the evidence that they need and they all know that He exists)