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Feb 7, 2019 05:35:02   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
I'd say for the most part, especially when it comes to younger people, it comes down to convenience. The phone camera is just more convenient and easier to use. Since the vast majority of the photos taken with the phone will be viewed on a tiny screen, IQ isn't a big deal, or even a consideration for the most part.
One of my daughters has two DSLR'S but I never see her use them, it's always the cell phone, even at birthdays and other "important" family gatherings. The camera phone is simply more convenient.
On the other hand, I have several bridge cameras and rarely use the camera in my phone.

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Feb 7, 2019 05:42:16   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I don't understand this cellphone vs. compact camera thing. I understand that nearly everyone has a cellphone with a camera built in. Makes it very convenient, but it seems to me that the only thing gained is the ability to immediately post images online. And I know there are apps for cellphone cameras that expand their capabilities, but it seems to me that none of this can equal or surpass what a good compact camera can do. Further, most of the compact cameras have the ability to connect with a cellphone or other mobile device for posting online. Furthermore, a decent compact has a good optical zoom, as opposed to the purely and inferiour digital zoom in a cellphone camera. The Sony RX100xx line is a good example of this, and they all fit in a shirt pocket. Makes them as convenient as a cellphone, I would think.

So, looking to the future of cameras, it seems that cellphone camera technology is going to have to go a very long distance before it can equal that of a good compact camera. I use my iPhone 8 Plus for occasional snaps, but for more serious photography (or at least as serious as I can be) I rely on either my Canon G16 (at the moment) or my Sony A6300. I think, while the casual, very simple point and shoot camera has a dim future, I think there is a good future for high end compact cameras. For those who love to take pictures but want to keep things simple, without having to lug around a heavy camera body and a bevy of lenses, while retaining the features and controls of larger cameras, a good compact camera definitely has a niche. I guess, in the end, this thing about cellphone cameras versus compact cameras (or any other camera) is really an apples/oranges thing. Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but that's how I see it. Perhaps someone can enlighten me?
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It's not about one being better than the other. It's the changing consumer. The cell phone is convenient. Instant share. That audience does not care about all the "stuff" that you need to do to take a picture with a DSLR. They will not schlep around cameras and assorted lenses. ISO, shutter speed is so what, don't care.
Today most cell phones take very good pictures and....and, selfies.

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Feb 7, 2019 05:57:51   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
le boecere wrote:
Read this on the British "digitalcameraworld" website, this morning:

8. (Sir Don) McCullin on mobile photography

"I've never been afraid of other people taking pictures. Everyone takes pictures on their phones now. Any joy I get out of it is because I don't have to look at them and secondly, they don't really improve very well when you try to enlarge them."

Just took this , this morning with my Galaxy S5
Just took this , this morning with my Galaxy S5...
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Feb 7, 2019 06:38:19   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Wingpilot wrote:
I'm pretty sure that all those who take pictures to post on Instagram, Facebook, etc., aren't pixel peeping. However, I'm not the masses, and still appreciate what a dedicated camera allows me to do.


I am in total agreement as some of my best shots are from my Canon Powershot S-80. However from a marketing standpoint WHY would your average young person who is not a photo enthusiast anyway opt for a compact ? Basically REAL cameras as some would call them do not offer what the masses want (connectivity and apps specifically), and are not selling.

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Feb 7, 2019 06:52:54   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
The two things you’re not figuring into the mix.
A) Kids today are not interested in camera gear as 99% of what they do is social media related
B) using a camera phone for taking pictures is truly getting better with the software quality built into the phone delivers “acceptable” photography

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Feb 7, 2019 07:19:00   #
DLightning
 
IMO. Most people using their camera on their phones aren’t photographers. Just like most people who bought point and shoot or even disposable film cameras before the consumer DSLR revolution weren’t. Almost everyone under the age of 25 owns a smart phone and may have never taken pictures because they had no interest, but social media unintentionally may have created an interest. You can’t beat the convienience or portability of a camera phone and I can’t tell what camera was used when viewing photos on my phone screen. Just like Netflix did Blockbuster in, I believe the smart phone with do the DLSR in, or at least take a huge hunk out of their business.

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Feb 7, 2019 07:24:32   #
PhotonHog Loc: Annapolis
 
The way I see it, the phone cameras are in most cases very convenient. THAT is the big plus. Perhaps the only plus. It is always there and makes instant sharing of photos possible. BUT. From a technical point, no matter how much zoom, shutter sound effects, plastic lens elements, etc. these devices will never be equal to a good point & shoot and certainly will never be in the same league as a DSLR. That tiny sensor is limited by pure physics and can only be pushed so far. Digital zoom, really just auto cropping, is just a gimmick and totally useless as far as I am concerned.


I am now about ready to make the plunge to Full Frame and it will be a wonderful new world. Even my old 4/3 sensor is showing its dynamic range limits - and that is the driving force here. Have a phone camera? Good. Use it. But please do NOT ever think those devices will EVER replace the dedicated cameras we all still love. My 2 cents on this never ending topic.

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Feb 7, 2019 07:30:05   #
twice_shooter
 
iPhone 6. Great when you don’t have a “camera”.



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Feb 7, 2019 07:55:06   #
rond-photography Loc: Connecticut
 
Wingpilot wrote:


So, looking to the future of cameras, it seems that cellphone camera technology is going to have to go a very long distance before it can equal that of a good compact camera. I use my iPhone 8 Plus for occasional snaps, but for more serious photography (or at least as serious as I can be) I rely on either my Canon G16 (at the moment) or my Sony A6300. I think, while the casual, very simple point and shoot camera has a dim future, I think there is a good future for high end compact cameras. For those who love to take pictures but want to keep things simple, without having to lug around a heavy camera body and a bevy of lenses, while retaining the features and controls of larger cameras, a good compact camera definitely has a niche. I guess, in the end, this thing about cellphone cameras versus compact cameras (or any other camera) is really an apples/oranges thing. Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but that's how I see it. Perhaps someone can enlighten me?
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Unfortunately, the vast majority of people are happy with the photos they can get from their cell phones, and we cannot fault the phones for crappy shots (when used within the camera's capability range). Remember, these same people used Instamatics happily for years. The difference then was - if you truly wanted better photos, you moved up to a better camera. Now, you can get better pictures on your phone than you ever got on an Instamatic so why upgrade?!

I think the camera companies need to rethink. The need to upgrade is much less than it was unless you are shooting commercially and need a camera that can handle situations not suited for a phone camera.

I am not a phone shooter, except as required by circumstance, but the phone photos are certainly such high quality today that I can understand the masses not feeling they need a separate camera.

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Feb 7, 2019 08:03:14   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Wingpilot wrote:
I never gave any thought to enlarging iPhone photos to that size. I've done 8x10's, but that's it. I may have to investigate making a larger print from an iPhone photo. I do think that sometime in the fairly near future that cellphone camera technology will progress to the point where they will be considered to be serious cameras, or at least suitable for serious photography.


I use several DSLR’s and the best Nikon lenses, not my iPhone 7 Plus to take serious pictures. But, only as an experiment, I enlarged a portrait shot taken with my phone to 20” by 30” at Costco (no resplution warning appeared). I would never have believed the image was produced with an iPhone. Incredible image quality.
As stated, I am far from getting rid of my “serious” cameras and expensive lenses; but,
All the old guys who continue to think cell phones are only convenient, and are not serious cameras, need to re-think.

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Feb 7, 2019 08:09:04   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
Me too

Wingpilot wrote:
I'm pretty sure that all those who take pictures to post on Instagram, Facebook, etc., aren't pixel peeping. However, I'm not the masses, and still appreciate what a dedicated camera allows me to do.

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Feb 7, 2019 08:19:07   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
For me it is really simple. I carry my iPhone wherever I go. I tried stashing a compact camera in the glovebox of my car. Since it was really cold the other day , I carried it inside and it took an hour to thaw and clear the fogged lens. I would have missed the snapshot I wanted to shoot. So, the iPhone won that battle. However, when the lens of the Nikon P7000 did clear, it took great macro shots with excellent IQ.

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Feb 7, 2019 08:25:02   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
I used to think that cell phones were great for grab and go shots, but that was pretty much it. However I recently saw an image in Outdoor Photographer magazine taken with an iPhone XS MAX printed at 30"x 40" that was stunning (see attachment).

Also, my son-in-law took some images at a NJ beach that I easily made 12" x 18" prints for him.

I have a new appreciation for what the latest iteration of cell phone cameras can do.


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Feb 7, 2019 08:31:51   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Dave327 wrote:
If you appreciate the difference. Also, the newest smartphones take pictures that rival what a DSLR can produce. Some come with 2 lenses / sensors - standard and wide angle. The main advances come from computational / chip technology which the stand alone camera manufactures have not caught up with. Additionally, they have ignored fast connectivity with they smartphone (what I am taking about is something similar to Apple’s mirroring). How many times have you seen posts that complain they can’t seem to get connect apps to work with their device?

Last week or so there was a posting of some shots of a marina in Florida in the golden hour. They where so sharp even I didn’t believe they were shot with an iPhone 8. So, I downloaded one and sure enough it was.
I’m a canon shooter and have two bodies plus a Nikon point & shoot. I still run my remodeling business and we use our phone cameras every day for record job shots. I still marvel at their low light capabilities and the ability to sent pics with with a message.
My wife’s Samsung Note 2 takes pictures that rival what my canon bodies produce and for posting on social media who really cares? The point is; smartphones take pictures that are just fine for the majority of people. With a sound knowledge of light and composition they can take pictures that rival or come close to the stand-alone camera. Now, where they come up sort is being able zoom in high quality. Obviously, you cannot take a sharp picture of a eagle 150 ft away and even compact cameras would come up short trying to do that.
You are missing the fact that most people always have their smartphone with them and do not want to have remember to bring the compact camera.
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And my Samsung 9 has manual and saves raw. In most light they take a darn crisp photo. Yes they have limitations but they are getting fewer. As has been said, your phone is always with you for fast access. Your camera with bells and whistles is in the car or home - shot missed.

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Feb 7, 2019 08:31:51   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
Many people don't realize that most current smart phones are capable of shooting RAW as well as jpg. For instance both my old Samsung Galaxy S6 and my current S9 have Pro mode as a selection. This mode shoots the RAW and jpg. While I do not have an iPhone, it is my understanding that there is an app that will let you shoot RAW as well.

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