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Feb 10, 2019 11:36:23   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
chrissybabe wrote:
No. I can see how it might work but if you buy a genuine copy of Win 10 from a legitimate reseller then MS will have to provide updates otherwise they would be taken to court, if not in the US certainly by the EU.
The only way I could see MS doing what you claim would be if they found the copy of Win 10 was not genuine. And surprisingly there are way more copies of none genuine Win 10 out there than you might think. MS has ways of sorting out most of these.
If the system of activation and updating was as you state then I have been doing wrong things BUT I have never had a problem. I buy OEM copies (but same for retail) install it in a "home built" PC, activate it and then update it. Me and millions of gamers etc who do just this. There is a multi billion dollar industry based on doing just this. Including all the motherboard manufacturers, make that multi be a $100 billion.
So somehow you have got the wrong end of the stick or have misinterpreted something really wrong.
Have you had this happen to you ?
Or a friend or someone you know ? (if this one or maybe even yourself I would suspect that it involves a none genuine copy of Win 10).
No. I can see how it might work but if you buy a g... (show quote)


Perhaps, it's ONLY in America, then, Chris. Yes, it has happened to me. When you buy the OS from a store to install on a Home-Brew - you're buying the license, for ONE PC. You can also buy one for Home Use to install on as many as five machines - for a little more money - but, that's the limit. If you buy the Business version - for a whole lot more - you have a license to install it on as many as 10 PCs. But, that's as far as it goes. When you search for updates - the first thing it does - is scan for the license number. Home Brews - are given special license numbers, to indicate they ARE Home Brews. Then, when the scanner sees it IS a Home-Brew - the upload process fails to initiate. OEM PCs have a different license number configuration - issued to a thousand? PCs at a time. When the scanner sees those license numbers - the Win Update process initiates. If it doesn't see those numbers - it won't!!!!

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Feb 10, 2019 13:51:50   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
You have some things wrong here I think.
An OEM licence works only on a single PC. There is a bulk licence, which I avoided using because although the initial purchase worked out cheaper, over 3 years it was dearer so I stuck with single licenses. These bulk licences (I forget MSs term for these) are the ones that pirates get. And they work until MS catches up with them. If a bulk licence was issued in Thailand, for example, but copies show up in Brazil they know it is pirated and activation will fail.
I have never found anything about what you call home-brew PCs here in NZ.
And there is definitely nothing like a business version of the licence which will allow it to be installed on up to 10 PCs. Not sure either about the Home version allowing installation on up to 5 PCs. I vaguely recall seeing something that might indicate there was a version allowing up to 3 home PCs.
I do know that as long as you don't use the licence on more than 3 installations (not simultaneously but 3 different reloads you can activate it but only if the licencing system only ever sees no more than 1 operating). This allows you to change hardware or reload several times on the same PC (because of hardware issues etc). After that you have to do a manual activation. That's how it was.
Being in NZ I cannot help you with this but I seriously suggest you ask at a local PC shop in the US because there is something wrong here.
This whole industry is built around being able to build your own PC (and that is what all the PC shops are in business for) so I can't believe that millions of home PC builders are able to buy parts but not an OS that can be updated.

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Feb 10, 2019 14:17:14   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
chrissybabe wrote:
You have some things wrong here I think.
An OEM licence works only on a single PC. There is a bulk licence, which I avoided using because although the initial purchase worked out cheaper, over 3 years it was dearer so I stuck with single licenses. These bulk licences (I forget MSs term for these) are the ones that pirates get. And they work until MS catches up with them. If a bulk licence was issued in Thailand, for example, but copies show up in Brazil they know it is pirated and activation will fail.
I have never found anything about what you call home-brew PCs here in NZ.
And there is definitely nothing like a business version of the licence which will allow it to be installed on up to 10 PCs. Not sure either about the Home version allowing installation on up to 5 PCs. I vaguely recall seeing something that might indicate there was a version allowing up to 3 home PCs.
I do know that as long as you don't use the licence on more than 3 installations (not simultaneously but 3 different reloads you can activate it but only if the licencing system only ever sees no more than 1 operating). This allows you to change hardware or reload several times on the same PC (because of hardware issues etc). After that you have to do a manual activation. That's how it was.
Being in NZ I cannot help you with this but I seriously suggest you ask at a local PC shop in the US because there is something wrong here.
This whole industry is built around being able to build your own PC (and that is what all the PC shops are in business for) so I can't believe that millions of home PC builders are able to buy parts but not an OS that can be updated.
You have some things wrong here I think. br An OEM... (show quote)


Chris - this is the way I've been given to understand it. Home-Brews - a term MS, itself, uses - to define a PC one puts together, oneself - using store-bought components - case, motherboard, CPU, RAM, HD, Video Card, DVD Burner, Power Supply, etc., etc. - and then loading an OS picked up, locally, or from places like Staples and Amazon - are prevented from UPDATING that PC over the Net - here, in the USA.

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Feb 10, 2019 15:17:32   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
Chris T wrote:
Chris - this is the way I've been given to understand it. Home-Brews - a term MS, itself, uses - to define a PC one puts together, oneself - using store-bought components - case, motherboard, CPU, RAM, HD, Video Card, DVD Burner, Power Supply, etc., etc. - and then loading an OS picked up, locally, or from places like Staples and Amazon - are prevented from UPDATING that PC over the Net - here, in the USA.


Who gave you to understand that ?
Somewhere, somehow you are completely wrong !
You say it happened to you but I suspect you had bought an illegal copy.
Send me a copy of what you have read from MS.

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Feb 10, 2019 16:06:47   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
chrissybabe wrote:
Who gave you to understand that ?
Somewhere, somehow you are completely wrong !
You say it happened to you but I suspect you had bought an illegal copy.
Send me a copy of what you have read from MS.


MS indicates that in a dialogue, when you attempt to upgrade a Home Brew!!!!

They also sent out a message, several years ago - INDICATING they'd no longer update Home Brews.

This goes back to the days of XP!!!!

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