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Jan 31, 2019 09:20:15   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
larryepage wrote:
I'd suggest that only the diehards are doing it now. Maybe we all need to be spending some of our time and energy making sure that there continue to be some diehard photographers in the future.

Think back...were you just automatically and mysteriously a photographer, or did someone help, encourage, and support you along the way?

As actual photography gets harder for us, maybe we could use some of that time guiding others. Keeps us in the game and keeps the game going.


I believe you’re on to something Larry, I agree with you!

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Jan 31, 2019 09:33:43   #
marycar53 Loc: Tuscumbia Al
 
I told some fellow photographers a hundred years from now, the researchers will peg this time period as the fuzzy photo generation. I see so many blurry cell phone photos on facebook.

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Jan 31, 2019 09:39:58   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
marycar53 wrote:
I told some fellow photographers a hundred years from now, the researchers will peg this time period as the fuzzy photo generation. I see so many blurry cell phone photos on facebook.


100 years is a long time. Way before then, whatever replaces Facebook will migrate all those pictures to a new platform. During the transition AI will transform them all into masterpieces.

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Jan 31, 2019 12:28:09   #
marty wild Loc: England
 
👍🏻

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Feb 1, 2019 00:53:10   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
So much for trying to peer into the future with any success. We may expect, however, that if history teaches, then the advance of photography will go ahead apace, moved by technology and innovation.

The cellular telephone with its capacity for taking pictures has carried photography more to the masses, a profound development. Who can say now what this movement will produce.

This citizen believes the future will bring out more photographers as the means of photography spreads.

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Feb 1, 2019 06:41:14   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
anotherview wrote:
So much for trying to peer into the future with any success. We may expect, however, that if history teaches, then the advance of photography will go ahead apace, moved by technology and innovation.

The cellular telephone with its capacity for taking pictures has carried photography more to the masses, a profound development. Who can say now what this movement will produce.

This citizen believes the future will bring out more photographers as the means of photography spreads.



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Feb 1, 2019 07:51:42   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Some people seem to miss the big picture here. Sure, Sony keeps coming up with neato wizz bang bells and whistles. They are fun and do move the industry forward. Canon's approach is different. Always has been. They focus on developing camera systems (bodies, features, lenses, etc....) that produce reliable workable results. For instance, one of the big criticisms of the EOS R has been the cropped video. But a lot of video types are using it anyway. Why? C-LOG. The results are easier to post process. At least that is what is being reported. Even Nikon lover Fro, just did a comparison of the EOS R, 5D IV and the 6D II. The R won for a lot of reasons that ultimately have to do with producing results.

Canon did enough with the R to hold its base. When you are the undisputed leader, you do not need to fight every little battle that the little companies decide to call a war.

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Feb 4, 2019 18:20:53   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
liamphotoatl wrote:
From what I read the first Mirrorless was the Epson R-D1 and that was in 2004 Bob.



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Feb 5, 2019 00:50:43   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
rmalarz wrote:
Sony has been doing mirrorless since the late 90s. When did Canon jump on the bandwagon? I'd say they have a lot of distance to make up.
--Bob


If you check their history, Canon has been making mirrorless cameras, (as it's name implies, a camera that does not have a mirror, thus "mirrorless") since 1937, before Sony even existed. Canon's first "mirrorless" digital camera was the PowerShot 600 which hit the streets in mid 1996. Canon's first Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera, the EOS M, was introduced in late summer of 2012.

As for catching up, here's an extract from an article on camera sales in Japan:

In Japan, the Canon EOS R has been outselling all its rivals
Now that the big boys have arrived, Sony’s share has dropped to 67%. The Nikon Z7 grabbed 10.4%, while the Canon EOS R stole a whopping 22.1% of Sony’s lunch money – impressive, considering that it only came out in October, while Nikon’s camera was released in September.
More alarming for the previous ruler of the playground is that the EOS R is outselling the Sony A7III and the Sony A7RIII, which are widely considered the “best” full-frame mirrorless bodies (while the EOS R famously has many limitations).

I'd say they have little if any distance to make up.

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Feb 5, 2019 08:58:19   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
If you check their history, Canon has been making mirrorless cameras, (as it's name implies, a camera that does not have a mirror, thus "mirrorless") since 1937, before Sony even existed. Canon's first "mirrorless" digital camera was the PowerShot 600 which hit the streets in mid 1996. Canon's first Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera, the EOS M, was introduced in late summer of 2012.

As for catching up, here's an extract from an article on camera sales in Japan:

In Japan, the Canon EOS R has been outselling all its rivals
Now that the big boys have arrived, Sony’s share has dropped to 67%. The Nikon Z7 grabbed 10.4%, while the Canon EOS R stole a whopping 22.1% of Sony’s lunch money – impressive, considering that it only came out in October, while Nikon’s camera was released in September.
More alarming for the previous ruler of the playground is that the EOS R is outselling the Sony A7III and the Sony A7RIII, which are widely considered the “best” full-frame mirrorless bodies (while the EOS R famously has many limitations).

I'd say they have little if any distance to make up.
If you check their history, Canon has been making ... (show quote)


You are missing the point behind your figures. Canon's own annual financial report states that they expect their EOS R sales to be a direct hit on their DSLR sales. They actually expect overall unit sales to continue to drop pretty dramatically (-9% last year). They don't even mention DSLR's in their future plans. They are placing all of their bets for imaging profits on sales of a plethora of 'new' lenses for the R cameras and some gimmicky 'lifestyle' snap taker. Meanwhile, they are shifting 'resources' (ie money) from 'development' to marketing and production cost reduction. In other words, they plan on rehashing their old lens designs with cheaper materials and labor costs and marketing the hell out of them as new 'R' lenses at premium prices. Expect to see the first of these lenses announced in the next couple of weeks.

Don't take my word for it - take Canon's word for it.

https://global.canon/en/ir/conference/pdf/conf2018e.pdf
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-inc-full-year-2018-financial-results-and-thoughts-on-the-industry-and-future-goals/

On the other hand, nearly all of Sony's mirrorless sales are 'new to Sony' sales - not cannibalized Sony DSLR sales although the new crop of 3rd generation A7xxx and the A6400 may appeal to upgraders.

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Feb 5, 2019 09:11:40   #
marycar53 Loc: Tuscumbia Al
 
Canon no longer cares about quality. I reference my previous comments about the 7D MII & 5D MIV I purchased.

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Feb 5, 2019 09:22:18   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
marycar53 wrote:
Canon no longer cares about quality. I reference my previous comments about the 7D MII & 5D MIV I purchased.


Makes you wonder what is wrong with all these reviewers who keep praising the R lens line for its quality. Weird hun?

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Feb 7, 2019 21:33:37   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
repleo wrote:
You are missing the point behind your figures
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On the other hand, nearly all of Sony's mirrorless sales are 'new to Sony' sales - not cannibalized Sony DSLR sales although the new crop of 3rd generation A7xxx and the A6400 may appeal to upgraders.

Maybe the point behind those figures is that Canon has kept a number of customers, customers who otherwise would have become 'new to Sony' - so Canon may have cut 'new to Sony' numbers.

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Feb 8, 2019 08:21:24   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
rehess wrote:
Maybe the point behind those figures is that Canon has kept a number of customers, customers who otherwise would have become 'new to Sony' - so Canon may have cut 'new to Sony' numbers.


When yo are number one you work to keep your base. Canon has produced a camera that says "We hear you, we are working on a solid line of mirrorless that stays true to your needs and your history with us." That history being quality glass that will work now and in the future. A lot of users on UHH keep saying invest in glass. Canon agrees. And they make the best glass out there for all us earth bound users.

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