Bill_de wrote:
Photography has been a life long hobby. I earned a living that allowed me to retire at 55 and thus spend more time with my hobbies.
That of course has nothing to do with the fact that many (maybe most) people differentiate between a cell phone and a mirrorless camera.
All of this has nothing to do with your ability as a photographer. I also look at that and it is top notch.
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I wish you no ill will Bill_de, congrats on the long life and happy retirement. Cheers
I am 67 and still love working at my avocation and hobby and as long as folks continue to pay me for my work, I will continue to shoot and have fun. I do make time for vacations and other fun too. Cheers
Unwatched due to Sony shilling. The OP didn't deserve this degrading.
Architect1776 wrote:
Having read most of the replies I would like to remind the nay sayers of Canon that they were the same broken record before the EOS came out. I then set ALL systems back to the stone age for nearly 30 years. It also took Canon about 2 years before the EOS 1 came out after introducing the EOS system. Again with it they crushed Nikon and all others in the professional market, in particular the action and sports venues where the USM smoked the old fashioned mechanical and slow AF of other systems.
Canon as has been said looks at technology and says how can we do it better?
They are going to be around for a long time, the market will likely shrink but will still be robust as it was even before the AE-1 took the market by storm leaving all behind as well.
As also has been said Canon does not load the cameras up with tons of bells and whistles knowing 99% of users will never use them. Even on this site it seems like most everyone brags they do not meter or use AF it seems so why bother having those features even?
Canon makes a solid product. It meets future needs with system innovation not just fad bells and whistles that are difficult to access like some others are.
As far as leaving the market I would see Sony doing it before any other would as they are somewhat fickle in loyalty to the consumers and chase the latest fad gizmo of the month. Nikon, Canon, Olympus and Pentax will likely be here for a long time as they all have a strong market presence in optics and imaging.
Canon has the horsepower to continue innovating as they have been all along. Look at the EOS R system. No one has anything even remotely like it with the 3rd ring on the lens and the control converter that makes ALL the old EF lenses even better. And for the mount naysayers it will now be able to use all the old FD, FL, R and screw mount lenses Canon ever made (Leica too).
So yes things are slowing down for Canon, and all others too.
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You still underestimate Sony just like Nikon and Canon did for years until it started to hurt their bottom line. Sony has already stated their goal to be #1 World Overall seller of cameras by end of 2020. Don't know if they will get there that quickly, but they have the corporate will, the leading sensor tech and more corporate money than Canon, so don't bet against them. Sony is in this game for keeps, and Canon and Nikon fans need to understand that, as hard as it is for you to see anyone other than your brand on top. The photo world is not going back to the status quo when Canon and Nikon ruled the roost. Nikon and Canon will have to earn their place, and make more than flawed mirrorless releases . Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus, Pentax, Sony and others will fight and push to deliver the best gear and give buyers new system choices in a shrinking market. We will see the best from each Japanese maker by the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and then the future of the market will be clear. Cheers
RichardSM wrote:
Yawn yawn Naysayer!
Yawn right back at you. Cheers
My Canon 7D MII wouldn't focus when I received it new, and was in the shop for 3 weeks waiting on parts. I feel Canon shouldn't have shipped it. My 5D MIV, a refurb I purchased in April, just came back from the shop replacing a mirror and AF sensor. I think Canon needs to worry about their quality control.
liamphotoatl wrote:
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........... will Canon catch and surpass Sony or is
Canon gasping for air?
Assuming that Canon has both eyes open, while
not ignoring Sony and Nikon I'm convinced they
are much more closely watching Panasonic cuz
thaz where the innovation has been amazing all
along, and now Panasonic is enlarging their line
to 24x36 "FF".
To "surpass Sony" is a noteworth but achievable
goal. Surpassing Panasonic is a major challenge.
Coming out "second fiddle" to Panasonic would
still allow for some amazing advances.
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liamphotoatl wrote:
So I wanted to ask the folks here. Canon and Nikon released their first Full Frame Mirrorless bodies in late 2018 and they were decent starts for both companies, but were of course lacking compared to Sony's 5 year head start.
A lot of folks are claiming that Canon can never catch Sony but I disagree, especially since Canon has been doing Mirrorless, just not FF. At least their first model the EOS R has Eye AF where Nikon's did not and they are priced closer to Sony.
Now one other thing I wanted to share, I recently attended ImagingUSA 2019 and had a chance to have a lengthy chat with a man from Canon's CPS while my 6D2 was being serviced and although he couldn't give specifics, when I mentioned that I think Canon will surpass Sony in 18-24 months, he smiled and said "Wait till the world sees what we have coming, it will blow people's minds".
What do you think, will Canon catch and surpass Sony or is Canon gasping for air?
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It’s going like train spotting its just not fashionable to lump around gear any more. Only the die hards will do it! When a mobile phone will suffice, it’s discreet and compact. The evolution of photography will change. I am no long moving forward with change! I’m stopping with my gear to the end or till, or when i’m longer able too carry my pack up.
marty wild wrote:
It’s going like train spotting its just not fashionable to lump around gear any more. Only the die hards will do it! When a mobile phone will suffice, it’s discreet and compact. The evolution of photography will change. I am no long moving forward with change! I’m stopping with my gear to the end or till, or when i’m longer able too carry my pack up.
I'd suggest that only the diehards are doing it now. Maybe we all need to be spending some of our time and energy making sure that there continue to be some diehard photographers in the future.
Think back...were you just automatically and mysteriously a photographer, or did someone help, encourage, and support you along the way?
As actual photography gets harder for us, maybe we could use some of that time guiding others. Keeps us in the game and keeps the game going.
twice_shooter wrote:
What do you think, will Canon catch and surpass Sony or is Canon gasping for air?
Not sure your question is correct. Canon’s share of the camera market is almost 50% while Sony is around 13%. Canon does not need to “catch up”. True Sony has a head start on mirrorless, but Canon is not going to let it’s share erode. Both Canon and Nikon will innovate in the new mirrorless segment and offer much better products than their current offerings. Sony will lose share to both.[/quote]
Sony has only been in the FF market a few years. Sony FF market share as of 2018 is 40%.
Canon 33% and Nikon 26%. Serious enthusiasts and pros are moving to Sony. Their are many shooters
like a friend who has a protrait studio who have a whole lot of Canon bodies and lens. I like the cameras
and lens a lot. But I am mirrorless with Sony from the beginning.
larryepage wrote:
I'd suggest that only the diehards are doing it now. Maybe we all need to be spending some of our time and energy making sure that there continue to be some diehard photographers in the future.
Think back...were you just automatically and mysteriously a photographer, or did someone help, encourage, and support you along the way?
As actual photography gets harder for us, maybe we could use some of that time guiding others. Keeps us in the game and keeps the game going.
I wholeheartedly agree with you! To help and encourage. I run a constructors championship at my local club EPS Eastwood, where you earn points for attendees competitions entries and raffle tickets. There’s also a wild card you can play once to double your collected points on the evening played. The prize is a free membership for the following season. Our club EPS Eastwood runs free work shops and advice nights. We have a continual advertising on Facebook and local shops. With 6 weeks free entry to any newbie. What is shocking at our club there are only 3 women that attended our 29 membership club two of the women are committee members. The youngest member is 45 and the oldest is 80. Without new younger photographers no new equipment is sold. If there not selling they not developing Perish the thought, Armageddon! is rumbling. Photography is not fashionable any more there is many silly restrictions, people can’t be bothered with the hassle. Carrying a DSLR brings unwanted attention. I was challenged twice while photographing my Grandson on the beach in England. So to sum it all up the end date is on fast forward. You can say photography has changed the world twice once for good. Well make your own mind up for the second.
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