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Jan 17, 2019 18:14:17   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
TriX wrote:
Personally (and this is just my opinion), I prefer multiple 27” (or whatever size you choose) monitors over one large monitor. The reason for me is simple. Assuming you place the monitor on a standard desk top, I find it tiring to my neck constantly looking up to use the upper part of a large screen - I prefer my display centers to be at eye level and relatively close. In fact, I actually use 3 monitors arranged horizontally (two driven from my video card and one from the MB onboard graphics). I typically have PS in the middle for critical editing, one for the various tools menus and one for DPP to sort through exposures and export into PS. All this fits nicely on a standard desk with the side monitors angled in maybe 15 degrees. Although I calibrate all, only the one used for editing needs to be higher quality. Just some alternate ideas.

Now, as desert gecko has said, it is not hard to assemble a desktop from parts, and you can build a high performance editing platform for maybe $1300 plus the cost of the monitor. You need an I7 CPU, 16-32 GB DRAM, a decent video card with 2GB (min) VRAM, a decent MB, an SSD for OS and Apps, a Larger SATA for photos, 64 bit OS, power supply, case, keyboard and mouse, and maybe a DVD (BluRay/MDisk preferred) drive. You can assemble it in an hour or two, and add a few more to install the OS and aps. You can save $, learn a fair amount in the process, and have some fun and a sense of accomplishment.
Personally (and this is just my opinion), I prefer... (show quote)


As usual TriX posts excellent information.

The arrangement on my desk is similar to his. I also use three monitors with my laptop. On my left, the laptop panel is open and useable. It's a 17inch HD display and the laptop is at an angle about 45 degrees.

In front of me is my 49 inch 4K Samsung Q6 and it's on a very low stand. I sit in a rather tall chair, because I am quite tall.

On my right, I have another monitor, a 24 inch 2K display and it also angles in at about 45 degrees.

The way I work is that I have email open on the right at all times, I do most of my work on the Samsung Q6 in front of me and I don't have to crank my neck to see the top of the screen. I have a couple of status windows on the laptop panel on my left.

This all fits very nicely on a standard desk. I do just about everything on the computer.

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Jan 17, 2019 18:31:57   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Pegasus wrote:
As usual TriX posts excellent information.

The arrangement on my desk is similar to his. I also use three monitors with my laptop. On my left, the laptop panel is open and useable. It's a 17inch HD display and the laptop is at an angle about 45 degrees.

In front of me is my 49 inch 4K Samsung Q6 and it's on a very low stand. I sit in a rather tall chair, because I am quite tall.

On my right, I have another monitor, a 24 inch 2K display and it also angles in at about 45 degrees.

The way I work is that I have email open on the right at all times, I do most of my work on the Samsung Q6 in front of me and I don't have to crank my neck to see the top of the screen. I have a couple of status windows on the laptop panel on my left.

This all fits very nicely on a standard desk. I do just about everything on the computer.
As usual TriX posts excellent information. br br ... (show quote)


Thanks for the compliment - I’m not especially tall and sit in a regular office chair (and I wear progressives to boot) so I just can’t go bigger, but I have seen 4K content on a large 4K monitor, and it is very nice.

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Jan 17, 2019 18:41:59   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
TriX wrote:
Thanks for the compliment - I’m not especially tall and sit in a regular office chair (and I wear progressives to boot) so I just can’t go bigger, but I have seen 4K content on a large 4K monitor, and it is very nice.


It's not a compliment, it's just a statement of fact. It's always fun reading posts from a knowledgeable person.

I own my own company so I buy the chairs and the equipment I want. These are business expenses because this is what I do for a living.

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Jan 17, 2019 20:58:05   #
ChristianHJensen
 
Pegasus wrote:
First of all, you do not want a "4K monitor." You will be much better served and for less money with a 4K TV. I had a 50 inch Seiki 4K TV on my desk for the last 4 years, connected to my now-5 year old laptop with an HDMI. It worked great; love having that "wall of data" as I refer to it.

At the end of last year, I replaced the 50inch Seiki with a 49 inch Samsung Q6 TV. An amazing device; it draws less than half the power of the Seiki and it's physically smaller because it has no bezel to speak of and it's very thin. The picture is also far superior to the Seiki.

Before getting this TV, I checked for 4k monitors at the usual websites and nothing even came close to 4k TVs.

The beauty of 4k is the resolution, and you are wasting it if you use a small screen. I am writing this using my 49 inch Samsung Q6, parked 2 feet in front of my nose. At 4K resolution, you simply do not see the individual pixels. It makes for a dramatic effect.

I can work on spreadsheets showing hundreds of columns and rows. I usually have about 20 windows opened at any one time.

Monitors are way too small to take advantage of 4K; 27 inch? Are you kidding me?

I leave it up to you and others to figure out if your laptop can drive a 4K screen, but don't waste the 4K resolution on a small screen.

ETA: I forgot to mention that working on pictures with a 49inch 4K screen is a lot of fun. I still can't see the full picture at 100%, that will be for an 8K screen.
First of all, you do not want a "4K monitor.&... (show quote)


While you may enjoy your tv it is far from ideal for a number of reasons. a 50 inch screen needs to be 4-5 feet away from you for ideal viewing gives you about the same angle of view (and thus visual resolution) as a 32 inch monitor at 2 feet or a 27 inch monitor at 18". Those numbers are for 4K - for 1080p you can go to 2/3 of those distances.
In addition - a tv is a lousy monitor compared to quality dedicated monitors. Color gamut is very limited as it only has to do TV (8 bit) and not HQ color (12 or 14 bit)

A good 27 inch monitor will run about $7-800 and a 32 inch will run about $1200. You can get cheaper - but they are just that cheap (and crappy)

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Jan 18, 2019 03:25:26   #
TMurphy71
 
My refurbished dell with dual hard-drives, 4k touch screen, 17 inch, 32 ram only cost $650 and my 40" 4K Samsung TV (used as a monitor)only $270. I spent the a few extra dollars on the extended warranty. I've had both now for about a year and no problem.

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Jan 18, 2019 10:46:50   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
ChristianHJensen wrote:
While you may enjoy your tv it is far from ideal for a number of reasons. a 50 inch screen needs to be 4-5 feet away from you for ideal viewing gives you about the same angle of view (and thus visual resolution) as a 32 inch monitor at 2 feet or a 27 inch monitor at 18". Those numbers are for 4K - for 1080p you can go to 2/3 of those distances.
In addition - a tv is a lousy monitor compared to quality dedicated monitors. Color gamut is very limited as it only has to do TV (8 bit) and not HQ color (12 or 14 bit)
While you may enjoy your tv it is far from ideal f... (show quote)


Your post shows that you do not understand a word of what I was saying and I guess that's my fault for not explaining it properly.

When I am doing computer work on my Samsung Q6, I usually focus on the window that is in focus. That window is only a small part of the 4K display. I have many other windows opened on this screen and I can see them just by looking at them and can continue typing in the window in focus.

Using a 4K monitor is very much like having 4 HD monitors in front of you in two rows. Just think of it that way. But instead of have 4 connectors, 4 power supplies, 4 stands, 4 bexels, etc. you only have one and it's seamless.

If I want to watch a movie or a TV program, I switch to that input and push away from my desk to enjoy the whole view.

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Jan 18, 2019 10:57:40   #
ChristianHJensen
 
Pegasus wrote:
Your post shows that you do not understand a word of what I was saying and I guess that's my fault for not explaining it properly.

When I am doing computer work on my Samsung Q6, I usually focus on the window that is in focus. That window is only a small part of the 4K display. I have many other windows opened on this screen and I can see them just by looking at them and can continue typing in the window in focus.

Using a 4K monitor is very much like having 4 HD monitors in front of you in two rows. Just think of it that way. But instead of have 4 connectors, 4 power supplies, 4 stands, 4 bexels, etc. you only have one and it's seamless.

If I want to watch a movie or a TV program, I switch to that input and push away from my desk to enjoy the whole view.
Your post shows that you do not understand a word ... (show quote)


Gotcha - but then in essence you have the equivalent of 4 1080p displays and NOT a 4 K display

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Jan 18, 2019 12:13:47   #
MiroFoto
 
I am confused. Did I ask for all of it?

You just excersized who is more confused. Great...I will help you ...it is me !!!! Now I would like to close this post and start another one .
Thanks Miro

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Jan 18, 2019 12:14:42   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
ChristianHJensen wrote:
Gotcha - but then in essence you have the equivalent of 4 1080p displays and NOT a 4 K display

I'm REALLY not sure what you mean by that. My Samsung Q6 is connected to my laptop via HDMI and the resolution on it is 3840X2160. It is a 4K display.

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Jan 18, 2019 12:40:32   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
Since this is a photography discussion group, I figured a picture would be worth a thousand words.

This is a picture of my setup. On the Q6 you can see an empty spreadsheet with 50 columns showing, default size. I intentionally pushed it to the right so that the ID of the user is not showing, but you also see the bottom right corner of the spreadsheet showing on the 2K monitor on the right, in its top left corner. I minimized all the windows for the sake of anonymity, but I think it gives you an idea of the way I use this setup. The laptop on the left is a 17 inch model and the monitor on the right is a 24 inch model, for comparison sake.

And yes, that's a shot of UHH website in the middle.

I hope this helps.



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Jan 19, 2019 17:27:31   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
ChristianHJensen wrote:
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In addition - a tv is a lousy monitor compared to quality dedicated monitors. Color gamut is very limited as it only has to do TV (8 bit) and not HQ color (12 or 14 bit)


I did some research about this aspect because it's not been discussed here that I remember and the above posting shows a great deal of confusion.

The Samsung Q6 TV that I use as a 4K monitor supports 100% of the DCI-P3 color space. The DCI-P3 color space is the color space for digital movies and projection. Apple just recently managed to reach that level with the iMac displays. My phenomenal Samsung Galaxy Note 8 supports it as well as selected other high end smartphones and maybe even the latest iPhones.

The DCI-P3 color space covers 94% of the Adobe RGB color space and the Adobe RGB covers about 87% of the DCI-P3 color space. Another name for color space is gamut.

When Christian talks about HQ color 12 and 14 bits, he's referring to RAW files not the output to the monitors and printers. Monitors and printers fit in the Adobe RGB color space, which, as I indicated before, is essentially covered by the DCI-P3 color space used by the QLED TVs from Samsung and others.

It's an interesting area and I'm continuing my research, but suffice it to say that QLED 4K TVs are quite capable of reproducing the needed gamut. I will also add that the Q6 has HDR as well. I will be researching the standards for that also.

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