Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
Do I need to up grade my camera
Page <<first <prev 3 of 3
Jan 13, 2019 11:30:38   #
Acountry330 Loc: Dothan,Ala USA
 
Of course you need to upgrade tour camera. It will take better pictures. Happy Shooting.

Reply
Jan 13, 2019 11:54:39   #
bkr2 Loc: Hackettstown,New Jersey
 
Thanks, that's what my wife seed. And if that"s the case,me the 7D mark II would suit me. Its a
thousand dollars cheaper.

Reply
Jan 13, 2019 12:23:06   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I think you just needed to create a thread.


That's true because he wanted to show off his nice, remarkable photos!! LOL

Reply
 
 
Jan 13, 2019 12:24:19   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
What do you want in a camera? Anything you don't have now?

Reply
Jan 13, 2019 15:04:31   #
pdsilen Loc: Roswell, New Mexico
 
In reference to your photo of your book shelf, I too have a Canon 7D. And I'd like to know the author of your book on the Canon 7D so I can get a copy. If you would please send me that I'd really appreciate it thank you.

Reply
Jan 13, 2019 21:14:49   #
itsnoelb Loc: Edgewater, FL. Originally: FLINT. MI.
 
bkr2 wrote:
I replace my Canon Reble SXi camera with the Canon 7D. That was back in 2013. I have a lot great pictures.And not so great pictures. I think that sum of the not so great pictures failed becouse of the
19 point focusing in the camera.
Do I rely need to get the 7D mark III when comes out.
Here is a sample.

Do I just need more practice.


My T1i is sharper than my 7D with my 100-400 L. Lens', camera, technique....?

Reply
Jan 13, 2019 21:35:12   #
SENSORLOUPE
 
[quote=Old Timer]As some one who had the same cameras that you describe I made the same move and purchased the 7d. The learning curve of the 7d is steep but worth the effort I made some post on trying to get the hang of 7d. If you go back to my topics and check I had some good suggestions and stuck with it. It is yet my favorite camera but you have to learn to use and practice and then practice some more I now have 5dii but action shots I still prefer the 7d. I would like to move up to the 7dii or 5div but at 83 I doubt I do it. Go to youtube or check my topics for some of the suggestion that I got. I can not off hand remember his user name but a gentleman from Ca. help me a lot. You have one of the most advanced focus systems at the time there was. It is like buying a car with all the bells and whistles and not taken advantage of them. If you have not mastered the old camera the new one will be more confusing if you do learn to use it. Most of us never master the cameras we have before we get a G.A.S. attack. You will not do not do any better with the new one.[/quote
I have the 7D also and love it and also the 7D Mark 11. But I could use some info on f ocus points. Where do I find your topics? Thanks

Reply
 
 
Jan 13, 2019 22:43:33   #
User ID
 
pdsilen wrote:
........
I'd like to know the author of your book
on the Canon 7D so I can get a copy. .....

Sharp clear picture. I can read "David
Busch" right offa the spine. But acoarst,
I do have a Master of Library Science ;-)

Reply
Jan 14, 2019 08:23:44   #
bkr2 Loc: Hackettstown,New Jersey
 
Here is his websitehttp://dslrguides.com/blog/
David Busch is the the guys name. I need to read it one more time.

Reply
Jan 14, 2019 09:01:51   #
SENSORLOUPE
 
amfoto1 wrote:
For the past couple years I've been using two Canon 7D Mark II and they are excellent cameras.

Prior to these I used a pair of Canon 7D for about five years. My main reason for the "upgrade" was that I had over 150,000 shutter actuations on each of my 7D, which is their rated "life expectancy".... though both are still going strong and serving as backups (haven't seen much use as such). I haven't checked recently, but probably have around 50,000 "clicks" on each of my 7DII... but Canon claims their shutter (and other mechanisms) are rated for a longer life: 200,000 actuations.

Yes, the 7D Mark II has a fancier AF system.... 65 points versus 19 points in the original 7D. However the sheer number of points was one of the last things on my mind. In fact, with both models I shoot using a single AF point the majority of the time. That's the best way to assure accurate focus, though it's more work for me. The 7DII's AF system also got it's own 50 pages user manual (only available as a PDF download from the Canon website, AFAIK).

Another thing that I thought I'd use a lot, but really haven't, is the 7DII's "f/8 capable" autofocus. This is mostly useful when using lenses with teleconverters... a 2X with an f/4 lens or 1.4X teleconverter with and f/5.6 lens. The original 7D's AF is "f/5.6 limited", meaning that it can only autofocus f/2.8 or faster lenses with 2X or f/4 or faster with 1.4X.

Both 7D and 7DII use dual image processors, along with a discrete chip to run their autofocus. This is same as Canon does with their 1D-series cameras. Outside those, I think only 7D-series have this arrangement (5DS and 5DS-R have dual processors, but I don't think they use a separate chip for AF).

7DII gives 10 frames per second more consistently than the 7D shoots at 8 fps. The latter camera is more prone to slow down it's frame rate for metering or focusing. This was an important concern for me because I shoot a lot of sports using short bursts at the max frame rate. I'm better assured of getting a well times shot when I can take three frames in 1/3 second, than when I might get two frames... or might not if the AF or metering are trying to "figure things out".

BTW, the original 7D got a big improvement with the 2.x firmware update. Check which firmware yours is using.... and if it's any of the 1.x versions, definitely do the update. The firmware can be downloaded for free from the Canon website. Installation is easy, though you need to be careful to follow the instructions exactly. (You need a fully charged battery and a freshly formatted memory card in the camera.)

7D Mark II also are able to make usable images at more than a stop higher ISO. I've shot events with mine at ISO 16000. The highest ISO I ever used with my original 7D was 6400. This has been very helpful getting fast enough shutter speeds in challenging lighting conditions. I still try to keep to lower ISOs whenever possible... 12800 and 16000 require extra noise reduction in post processing. ISO 3200 and 6400 need some NR too, but not as much. Those ISO required more NR with my 7D.

The 7DII also uses a weaker anti-alias filter. 7D's is pretty strong... I really noticed that when I first got them. Compared to the 50D images I was shooting prior, I had to nearly double the amount of sharpening with 7D. I think Canon just got carried away with the camera's AA filter.... it was the first model to use the then-new 18MP APS-C sensor... seemed like later models using that sensor had weaker AA filters and their images didn't need as much sharpening. Certainly the 20MP sensors in 70D and now in 7DII use weaker AA filters... as well as the 24MP sensors in all other current Canon APS-C DSLRs.

Something else that 7DII have is an Anti-Flicker feature. This has been a big help to me when shooting under fluorescent or sodium vapor lighting. Any lighting that cycles on and off at a rapid rate like those do tend to fool cameras and cause a lot of under-exposed images. Unless you can use a fairly long exposure (I can't, shooting sports), all you can do under these types of lighting is shoot lots and lots of extra images, assuming you'll end up throwing many of them away, spoiled by the poor exposure. With 7DII Canon introduced their Anti-Flicker feature, which detects the cycling of these lights and times the shutter release to coincide with the peak output of the lamps. It works! Very well, in fact. So long as I remember to enable it, I rarely see any exposure problems any more, due to the lighting used in many gyms and arenas. BTW, Canon now has this feature in most of their cameras. AFAIK, only the most entry-level Rebel T7 doesn't have it. (Nikon has put similar in some of their cameras... I know the D500 and D850 have it, not sure about other models. They call it something different like "Flicker Free", I think. Not sure about any other manufacturers.)

7DII have some other nice upgrades... such as dual memory card slots (one CompactFlash, one SD), more info in the viewfinder, greater customizability with button assignments and display options, and other things. I also use vertical battery grips on mine and the BG-E20 7DII uses has a secondary "joystick", which is a nice improvement. (Canon started doing that with higher end cameras starting with the 5D Mark III, if memory serves.)

I don't shoot video, so can't say much about that with either model.

But am I getting better images? Maybe slightly better.

Is autofocus better? A little. I see a very low percentage of shots thrown away due to missed focus. I always "black flag" missed focus shots in Lightroom when I'm post-processing. At a recent event I took over 3000 shots and exactly 24 images were black flagged... unusable due to missed focus. That's under 1% . And I bet half or more were my mistakes, not the cameras'. I shot too fast before AF had a chance to lock on or failed to keep the AF point on the subject or pressed the wrong button to activate AF (after several hours of shooting, sometimes my hands cramp, especially in cooler weather).

This really isn't much different from what I was with my original 7D. I rarely saw more than 1 or 2% of shots spoiled by missed focus. Same with the 50Ds I used earlier. That's not surprising since I've used similar techniques for many years: Single Point AF (usually the center point), AI Servo and Back Button Focusing. I've been doing that since learning to shoot that way with EOS-3 film cameras many years ago. I will switch to One Shot at times, to shoot stationary subjects (product photography, landscape, posed portraits, etc.) But I use AI Servo far more often (BBF is necessary to use this mode in some situations).

I never use AI Focus. That isn't really a focus mode at all... In AI focus the camera tries to detect if the subject is moving or stationary, and then will use the correct mode... usually. I think it slows AF a little and I know it doesn't always choose correctly or respond to changes as fast as I'd like. I get better results avoiding it. Note that the "pro" 1D series don't even have AI Focus... they only have One Shot and AI Servo.

I do occasionally use Spot Focus (higher precision AF, both 7D and 7DII have it). That's handy when shooting birds in trees, through a tangle of branched, for example. I also sometimes use Expansion Point Focus. It's good with erratically moving subjects which are hard to keep a single point on (both 7D and 7DII have it, though 7DII has two versions). I also occasionally use Zone Focus to shoot subjects like birds in flight against a plain blue sky or other moving subjects with a distant/plain background and no obstructions between me and them that might distract the AF system (again, both models have this feature, though 7DII has two versions and 7D just one). All those focus patterns other than Single Point, I consider to be rather specialized and use them pretty sparingly. I never use "All Points/Auto".

The larger number of AF points in 7DII cover a larger portion of the image area and there's less space between them. (With 65 points, 7DII has the most AF points of any Canon DSLR... only the new EOS R mirrorless has more... LOTS MORE!) All the AF points in both models are the higher performance "dual axis, cross type". And in both models the center point is an even higher performance "diagonal cross type" with f/2.8 and faster lenses... and f/8 capable. (80D, 77D, T7i and 6D Mark II 45-point AF system have more "f/8 capable" points... up to 27 with certain lenses.)

I make a point of using Canon USM lenses on my cameras, which are their fastest focusing in most cases. Some are L-series, some aren't. I've been using many of the same lenses for years.... some since the days when I shot film (I've been almost 100% digital since 2004).

Also, 7D Mark II was introduced in Fall, 2014. It's now a 4 year old model... one of the oldest models in the current Canon line-up. Because of that and the five year product life span of the first 7D model, I wouldn't be surprised if Canon announced a Mark III replacement model in the not-too-distant future. The Nikon D500 it most directly competes with is a newer and in a few ways more advanced model. The D500 is more expensive (as are most comparable Nikon lenses and accessories). Canon 7DII have also been offered with significant discounts recently... possibly an indication they're making an effort to clear the shelves to make way for a new model. But only Canon knows for certain.

In conclusion, I have to say if you are struggling with focus using 7D, you will likely struggle with it on 7DII, too.

Based on this... and perhaps some other differences you may or may not "need" to upgrade. Only you can say.

Here are some other sources of info you might find helpful...

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-7D-Markgreat info-II.aspx
https://www.digitalrev.com/article/canon-7d-vs-7d-mark-ii-should-you-upgrade
https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-7D-vs-Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II
https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/7d/vs/canon/7d-mark-ii/
https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-7D-vs-Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II
For the past couple years I've been using two Cano... (show quote)


That's a lot of great info. I have both 7D and 7D11 plus 30D and 50D. Thanks for links

Reply
Jan 14, 2019 09:10:34   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
bkr2 wrote:
I replace my Canon Reble SXi camera with the Canon 7D. That was back in 2013. I have a lot great pictures.And not so great pictures. I think that sum of the not so great pictures failed becouse of the
19 point focusing in the camera.
Do I rely need to get the 7D mark III when comes out.
Here is a sample.

Do I just need more practice.


Fotoartist wrote:
Well, most would say you can get great images with that camera. And it would be true.
However, bird in flight pictures which you have shown you can do (and well) are some of the most challenging in photography. And you just might profit from a faster frame rate which could be a consideration.


I agree. Not sure about the 19 point issue. Some of this depends on what settings you are using now.
A faster frame rate will likely help as long as you prioritize focus rather than release for second shot (and on) in a burst.

Reply
 
 
Jan 14, 2019 15:10:29   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
James R wrote:
===============

Naw!!!

You can Never Ever have Too Many Cameras.

((Yes - I am being sarcastic))

= Best to learn EVERYTHING you can about the use of the camera you have.

When I read or hear of Anyone wanting to buy a NEW and perhaps "different" camera I hear the voice of Ansel Adams whisper ----

"The Most Important Thing On A Camera Is The TWELVE INCHES Behind It."

:-)

---
I hear ya, I should have said..."MOST people get tired of what they have". I still have and use my first DSLR and advanced point & shoot I bought 12 years ago.

Reply
Jan 14, 2019 15:54:37   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Imaging Resource stated the 7D MKII is a "better 5D MKIII with a smaller sensor". Can't compare images, but the improvements on the II are significant. I own a 7D. It is adequate in my view, but lacks a lot compared to the II. Always a good thing to wait for the newer models and see how they compare plus much of the time the prices will drop on the older model.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 3 of 3
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.