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Jan 15, 2019 18:27:14   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
tdekany wrote:
5.6 is not a number? Lol. For someone who is in the habit of typing a whole page of nonsense, you are one to talk.

If I just said f5.6 without proof, you’d have an issue.

Just shows, that you are nothing but a TROLL.

How pathetic you are. Not only did I provide the aperture, I also posted an example to show you how much DOF one gets with m4/3

The least you can do is use your own photos.


Seriously? Do you really want us to compare that snapshot of yours with that photograph by Carleton Watkins?

Setting the aperture on your m4/3 at f/5.6 is your idea as to how to achieve the same depth of field as could be achieved with a pinhole lens on a large format camera? What am I missing?

And your post somehow proves that someone else is a troll?

Mike

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Jan 15, 2019 18:31:09   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Seriously? Do you really want us to compare that snapshot of yours with that photograph by Carleton Watkins?

Setting the aperture on your m4/3 at f/5.6 is your idea as to how to achieve the same depth of field as could be achieved with a pinhole lens on a large format camera? What am I missing?

And your post somehow proves that someone else is a troll?

Mike


His question was about DOF. Was it not? Or did I miss where Bipod was asking to compare the content?

On another note, you are one to talk about what a snapshot is. Lol!!!

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-555088-1.html

As far as that photo, there is nothing spectacular about it.

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Jan 15, 2019 18:47:06   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
tdekany wrote:
His question was about DOF. Was it not? Or did I miss where Bipod was asking to compare the content?

On another note, you are one to talk about what a snapshot is. Lol!!!

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-555088-1.html

As far as that photo, there is nothing spectacular about it.


Question: "So then, what f-stop do you set the aperture to, in order to get that depth-of-field?"

Your answer: "Well, here is a quick snapshot at f5.6."

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Jan 15, 2019 18:55:36   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Question: "So then, what f-stop do you set the aperture to, in order to get that depth-of-field?"

Your answer: "Well, here is a quick snapshot at f5.6."


To show how much DOF there is at that Aperture, in my case, using M4/3. If I just said f5.6, would you have preferred that answer? In any case, this is all amateur hour. Masters worry about light, not technical mambo jumbo.

What is Bipod’s fascination with DOF? There are a number of ways to get it.

Thanks to modern technology, focus stacking is a breeze.

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Jan 16, 2019 06:25:09   #
Bipod
 
tdekany wrote:
5.6 is not a number? Lol. For someone who is in the habit of typing a whole page of nonsense, you are one to talk.

If I just said f5.6 without proof, you’d have an issue.

Just shows, that you are nothing but a TROLL.

How pathetic you are. Not only did I provide the aperture, I also posted an example to show you how much DOF one gets with m4/3

The least you can do is use your own photos.

Cut the B.S., tedekany.

You know as well as I do that that wonderful Carleton Watkins print
photo was taken at f/45 to f/64.

Deal with it.

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Jan 16, 2019 06:28:10   #
Bipod
 
rekauff wrote:
I forgot who said this, but the quote is "photographers who compare cameras are like writers who compare typewriters." Is this still true?

Aryan genetic superiority -- still "true"? What a load...

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Jan 16, 2019 07:12:23   #
Bipod
 
rekauff wrote:
I forgot who said this, but the quote is "photographers who compare cameras are like writers who compare typewriters." Is this still true?


Is it still true that there is no perpetual motion machine?
Surely some clever hacker has figured out a way around that!

Of course starships can travel faster than the speed of light--
we've all seen it on Star Trek. And Elon Musk has one that;s
coming on line any day now....

If only we could get rid of thise backward stick-in -the-mud
old-technology physicists like Steven Hawking, John Wheeler,
Albert Einstrein, etc. then the fulll potential for stock prices could
be realized.

Why would any forward-looking ARYAN ENTREPRENEURS
want to acccept the limitations of JEWISH PHYSICS?

Remember, technology is only limited by your imagination.! Profit
TRUMPS everything. There is no truth except return on investment/

(Grow up. Join the 21st Century. Accept physical limits.)

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Jan 16, 2019 07:22:39   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
rekauff wrote:
I forgot who said this, but the quote is "photographers who compare cameras are like writers who compare typewriters." Is this still true?


A camera is a camera. That was much more true in SLR days because you could vary the film depending on your purpose. Now the "film," has been replaced by a permanent sensor that has become part of the camera, so, to some extent, the camera is limited by the sensor (size and sensitivity). So, to say that a crop sensor camera can produce equivalent photos as a medium format or large format or even full sized format camera would be incorrect. They may appear similar at certain sizes, but they would not have the same capability to be printed larger with the same detail. So, really, a camera is a camera is a camera is a misnomer. This does not even get into all the bells and whisltes that various cameras might have, which, put into the hands of those who know how to use them, can, indeed, affect the final result quite significantly.

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Jan 16, 2019 12:04:14   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Bipod wrote:
Cut the B.S., tedekany.

You know as well as I do that that wonderful Carleton Watkins print
photo was taken at f/45 to f/64.

Deal with it.


Deal with what? The smaller the sensor the more DOF you get. That is just a FACT.

Seems like that you can’t deal with the fact that other systems don’t need F64 to get the job done. Deal with it.

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Jan 19, 2019 01:38:56   #
Bipod
 
SteveR wrote:
A camera is a camera. That was much more true in SLR days because you could vary the film depending on your purpose. Now the "film," has been replaced by a permanent sensor that has become part of the camera, so, to some extent, the camera is limited by the sensor (size and sensitivity). So, to say that a crop sensor camera can produce equivalent photos as a medium format or large format or even full sized format camera would be incorrect. They may appear similar at certain sizes, but they would not have the same capability to be printed larger with the same detail. So, really, a camera is a camera is a camera is a misnomer. This does not even get into all the bells and whisltes that various cameras might have, which, put into the hands of those who know how to use them, can, indeed, affect the final result quite significantly.
A camera is a camera. That was much more true in ... (show quote)


This is especially true if you want to shoot monochrome. There's no replacing
the color sensor in your digital camera with a monochrome one.

And even shooting in IR now requires surgery to the camera.

This is mass-market consumerism in action: one-size-fits-all.

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Jan 19, 2019 05:29:13   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
As far as typewriters go, one of the biggest problems was if you made a mistake you were stuck with it or restarted fresh.

So being an accurate typist was a valued skill. With the introduction of the word processor you got the ability to correct. Which meant you didn't need as accurate a typist. Better results with less skill needed.

I watched a video recently of a flautist trying out a really inexpensive flute, she was actually quite impressed with it and had the skill to play it very well but she was better with her own instrument.

If we take an extreme example with digital photography if you try to take a photo outside with an iphone chances are the sun will make it next to impossible to see the screen and hard to compose the image. Having a camera with an actual viewfinder will make it much easier to compose the image.

The guy with the iphone may have the better eye but he's limited by his equipment. Of course there is an alternative, work in conditions where you can see the screen.

So good equipment can help to raise the standard but talent is needed for excellence.

I'm not the greatest typist and I can write an acceptable letter but it's highly unlikely i will be a best selling author any time soon. It's possibly true that JK Rowling wrote the first Harry Potter book in an exercise book so you can be talented without having the best equipment and mediocre at best with the state of the art.

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