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Jan 7, 2019 08:34:19   #
gary m Loc: Cincinnati, ohio
 
To All,

Thank you for your feedback on this topic. It looks like the amateur photographer has lost this battle to the professional photo journalist and business owners. The only choice I have is not to pay or attend any events that have camera or photography restrictions. No sporting events or concerts attendance are in my foreseeable future.

Thanks all for your input on this topic

Gary

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Jan 7, 2019 08:42:16   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
gary m wrote:
I am finding it much more difficult to take my Canon DSLR into many inside sporting events...now I am being told that if you do not have press credentials, no cameras with lenses over 3 inches will be allowed. I went to the college football NCAA press conference yesterday in Santa Clara California...they will only allow the public to take pictures with cell phones or short lens point and shoot cameras. no removable lenses. This past summer at the White House, only cell phone pictures are allowed.

Are other photographers finding the same frustration and restrictions taking pictures at concerts, sporting, and other public events with your better removable lens camera equipment?

Perhaps I need to find a way to get a photographer press credential so I am not so limited.

Any suggestions?
I am finding it much more difficult to take my Can... (show quote)


Looking into press credentials/pass is probably worthwhile (although I admit I don't know what that takes). The cell phone cameras will probably be banned at some point in the future as the quality and resolution of those becomes better with each generation, and with multiple lenses on them the reach will soon be much better.

Better quality P&S (or mirrorless) with largest sensor/highest zoom ration you can get away with (3" limitation) would be my suggestion. I've had (and several folks on the hog - Lindafrommaine is one) have used them with success. Many have stabilization to help with the reach and smaller sensor, and looking back at shots taken with (example Nikon L830/L840/P530 and some Fuji models I have) you can get very good photos. Equal to APS-C, sometimes, better than FF, no. Good luck in your pursuit.

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Jan 7, 2019 08:42:17   #
radiojohn
 
You're on private property, they make the rules. Now, you may takes shots purely for personal use but others want to sell photos, put them on a site that makes money from ads, etc. They want to restrict all but lower quality photos to control the flow of images. This is not new, just more of it.

I spent about 10 years as a communications guy for a $29 million dollar church that was being built in Lacrosse, WI. Visually stunning, it was flooded by "amateur" photographers wanting to do wedding shots, etc. Tripod with points on legs were brought into the church with marble on the floors, people wanderedaround during church services, suddenly mugs, calendars and fine art prints ended up on the internet.

Now, anyone with "pro" gear is told no. One "kindly grandpa" type was found taking shots of his daughter in her Spandex gymnastics outfit doing leaps in the air...in front of a building that was a mausoleum for stillborn babies. Basically some photographers ruin it for others.

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Jan 7, 2019 08:43:46   #
radiojohn
 
Buy a team and go ahead and change the rules. ;)

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Jan 7, 2019 08:46:02   #
radiojohn
 
While you're at it, get credentials saying you are a minister. Both are equally useless.

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Jan 7, 2019 08:48:17   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Agree:
Shutterbug57 wrote:
It is all about the $$$ and control of images. If you can get pro quality images, or nearly so, you can dilute the club’s/player’s brand.

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Jan 7, 2019 08:48:52   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Agree:
radiojohn wrote:
You're on private property, they make the rules. Now, you may takes shots purely for personal use but others want to sell photos, put them on a site that makes money from ads, etc. They want to restrict all but lower quality photos to control the flow of images. This is not new, just more of it.

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Jan 7, 2019 08:50:05   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Useful advice:
olemikey wrote:
Looking into press credentials/pass is probably worthwhile (although I admit I don't know what that takes). The cell phone cameras will probably be banned at some point in the future as the quality and resolution of those becomes better with each generation, and with multiple lenses on them the reach will soon be much better.

Better quality P&S (or mirrorless) with largest sensor/highest zoom ration you can get away with (3" limitation) would be my suggestion. I've had (and several folks on the hog - Lindafrommaine is one) have used them with success. Many have stabilization to help with the reach and smaller sensor, and looking back at shots taken with (example Nikon L830/L840/P530 and some Fuji models I have) you can get very good photos. Equal to APS-C, sometimes, better than FF, no. Good luck in your pursuit.
Looking into press credentials/pass is probably wo... (show quote)

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Jan 7, 2019 09:06:36   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
User ID wrote:
What you are saying is that your FF SLR is now
obsolete. Not technically, but culturally, which
... as you've experienced ... is at least as major
an obstacle as technical obsolescence. It's not
totally obsolete. It serves some purposes, but
not every purpose. "Horses for courses".

As requested, I do have a suggestion: M4/3.
APS-C would likely still exceed the size limit.

The pic below shows the pancake zoom, but I
have a 10X OIS zoom for it, which falls within
the size limit that you mention. Acoarst it's no
f/2.8, but loooong f/2.8 zooms are equally as
obsolete as those big SLRs that wear them.
What you are saying is that your FF SLR is now br... (show quote)


What does acoarst mean? Never heard that before.

Dennis

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Jan 7, 2019 09:28:37   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
He indicated it was not an interchangeable lens camera, Charles.
charles tabb wrote:
The Sony RX10 IV is NOT a "Interchangeble lens camera".

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Jan 7, 2019 09:41:38   #
radiojohn
 
I very much appreciate this discussion, as I need to talk a bit about photography on Public Radio in a week or so. I guess the bottom line is that the sports organization sells you tickets to watch the game, period.

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Jan 7, 2019 10:16:47   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
gary m wrote:
I am finding it much more difficult to take my Canon DSLR into many inside sporting events...now I am being told that if you do not have press credentials, no cameras with lenses over 3 inches will be allowed. I went to the college football NCAA press conference yesterday in Santa Clara California...they will only allow the public to take pictures with cell phones or short lens point and shoot cameras. no removable lenses. This past summer at the White House, only cell phone pictures are allowed.

Are other photographers finding the same frustration and restrictions taking pictures at concerts, sporting, and other public events with your better removable lens camera equipment?

Perhaps I need to find a way to get a photographer press credential so I am not so limited.

Any suggestions?
I am finding it much more difficult to take my Can... (show quote)


Yes. Leave the big guns at home while you attend events at such venues, UNLESS you have the proper credentials.

Many private organizations license their logos and control both their messaging — and the distractions — at their events. Others have legitimate security concerns.

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Jan 7, 2019 10:18:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
dennis2146 wrote:
What does acoarst mean? Never heard that before.

Dennis


It’s a phonetic spelling of a regional dialectic pronunciation of, “of course.”

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Jan 7, 2019 10:19:03   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
First, I call them camera phones that take surprisingly high quality photos and videos and you can also use them to call someone. Their video capabilities are very convenient to use. Second, an enterprising entrepreneur could research a market for those photos and videos. If you’re not looking to print very large or reach out very far, you can get some pretty damn nice results. Lots of great photos are poor quality but are still great, better than no photo at all.

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Jan 7, 2019 10:19:37   #
gary m Loc: Cincinnati, ohio
 
Part of my enjoyment in attending a live sporting event is capturing that photograph that can only be done live...with the restrictions I will not pay for any events like tonight's NCAA Football championship game. When attendance is down and the stadiums not sold out, then perhaps they will cater again to the public. Please feel free to discuss on your radio program....let me know how to hear the broadcast.

thanks

Gary

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