Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Should we even be looking for what a camera does for us, or might we better spend our time concentrating on what we can do with a camera - any camera?

Somehow, great images were taken long before there were all of these options and choices. O. Winston Link did some pretty incredible photography with equipment that would be considered primitive today.

http://carolinaarts.com/winstonlink.html

Mike

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Are you denying what you wrote? That is exactly what you claim. These claims are in your posts. What, did you think that people wouldnt pay attention?

Do you know what they call people who lie so much that they forget what they said?

You are a troll and not a good one.

I bet I’m not the first person to call you a sociopath.

There is an over the counter product call exlax. Very appropriate for you. You are full of it.

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Give it a rest. You may disagree with his opinions, but he is not "trolling." Why not form a coherent counter argument in rebuttal to that with which you disagree? Throwing personal insults around, as you are doing, is trolling.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Now why would I follow you or anyone else around? Are you only reading Bipods bs posts?

I could care less who’s posts you enjoy. But that doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t point out to Bipod that he is full of manure. Wouldn’t you agree?

Also, I could care less how Bipod feels about marketing or any of the major players in photography. But when Bipod accuses people of being employed by them, BECAUSE THEY PREFER THESE BRANDS, that is mental illness. He had done it several times. It is pure narcissism.

We are on a photography forum, to share and learn. He is here to do neither. If you like his ideas, you should sell your digital gear and purchase an 8x10 setup. Because according to Bipod, FF or anything smaller can’t take sharp enough photos. Zooms are also not good enough. EVFs are also inferior.

Now you tell me, who would make such claims? While he is asking for suggestions to replace his dead P&S camera from 15 years ago

And I haven’t even mentioned how condescending many of his posts are to people.

IS THIS THE GUY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT???

tdekany Loc: Oregon

You give it a rest. He is a troll. Read his posts. If you are not interested in my posts, skip them. You are not forced to read them are you?

As long as he is trolling, I’ll point them out.

Let me tell you again. A narcissistic way is a one way street. You can’t tell him anything, he thinks he is superior to the rest of us.

Read through his 3rd thread that he started. He is not here to learn.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-554469-1.html

This thread was a setup from the very beginning. He isn’t interested in any other format other than large format.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-570070-1.html

pappleg

You missed my point entirely and make my point with your second sentence. Any camera, all cameras are a tool to create what your particular vision can express. A camera does nothing "for us" but only that what we allow it to do. The Z6-7 expand certain photo possibilities and limit others just as any photo instrument does. The single sharpest image I ever created was with a Crown Graphic 4X5 and an Ektar 127mm in Compur shutter. My recent images (check out recent posts) rival that sharpness and exceed the color fidelity and range. Those of you who always criticize the posts of others never post any images of your own to support your viewpoint. A favorite mentor of mine Fred Picker always stated he would go with "those who can hang them on the wall"!!! Show me yours. Pat

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

No problem Pat. I didn't "criticize the posts of others" any more than you are doing right now. Perhaps we disagree. That can happen. It is my view that commercial interests are using marketing and sales hype to relentlessly steer people toward thinking of themselves as agents of the tools they are selling, rather than seeing the tools as agents of the photographer. This helps their sales figures, of course, which drives stock values, but it does little for us as photographers. I see nothing wrong with expressing that point of view here, as unpopular as it is. I would say that the often ferocious resistance to this point of view is itself evidence this view is in fact pretty accurate.

I am glad that you are happy with your camera. In any case, criticizing your camera - which I did not do and don't care about - is not the same thing as criticizing you - is it?

I will gladly take a look at your work. Feel free to view and comment on any of my images here. I have posted hundreds. Always learning, always trying to improve.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-558343-1.html

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-556919-1.html

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-552168-1.html

You can always find the images people have posted by clicking on their username, by the way. Don't assume that just because someone disagrees with you - very mildly and respectfully here by me - that they therefore do not post any images. In my case, at least, you couldn't be more wrong.

Mike

Bipod

Very good point, Mike.

The truth is, some superb landscape photos have been made with pinhole cameras.

In fact, I would chose a cracker tin with a pinhole in one end and a sheet of 4" x 5" film
in the other over any 35 mm / FF camera ever made. Pinhole cameras have enormous
depth of field, and large format ones are adequately sharp for a contact print.

Sample image taken wth Harmon Titan 5 x 4 pinhole camrea -- essentially the above
the above plus a film-holder:
https://www.ephotozine.com/articles/harman-titan-pinhole-5x4-camera-kit-review-18049/images/highres-Titan-review-2_1323443128.jpg

Check this out: George Servais, Pinhole seascape (untitled):
https://a.1stdibscdn.com/archivesE/upload/a_526/a_780312/Pinhole_Seascape127_009_GregorServais_l.jpg

There are not going to stop making boxes or holes. So once you master the pinhole camera,
you not ever change your camera unless you want to.

Photography is about light, not bits and bytes or computer software.

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Thanks. Very interesting.

I appreciate the wealth of knowledge and the insightful observations you are posting here.

Mike

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Um, Pat, you have only posted a handful of images here, most of them in the middle of other people's threads.

We all make mistakes. How about we put this behind us and make a fresh start?

Mike

pappleg

Mike, here is what I am responding to; it appears you are supporting the posts of Bipod-did you indeed read all of them? He ranted claim after claim that had no basis in fact. Suggesting the resale value of a D850 at $100, stating that mirrorless is not new technologically, suggesting that pinhole cameras produce images on a par with modern cameras. Are Canon and Nikon late to the game? Yes! Are they expensive? Yes! Aren't all new high end releases. I perhaps, inappropriately, painted you with Bipod's brush and for that I will apologize. I am simply tired of folks bashing the Nikon Z6&7 with misinformation, not that you did that, but I reject that these cameras with their new lens systems are merely marketing hype. I believe time will be on my side and prove my purchase decision sound in the long haul. I am making some of the best images of my hobby career presently and not that I credit that solely to my use of the Z7 but the camera lens combo (24-70 F4.0) is amazing. I have handheld a local stream to show water motion at 1/2 second braced against a tree and thew stationary rocks are tack sharp. One of the images I posted was the Baltimore skyline over which I layered the moon in photoshop. You can read building signage in the extreme corners at 24mm. I did take a look at your posts and appreciate your closeup work with flora. We can agree to disagree but I cannot accept your support of Bipod who, indeed, is trolling this site and to my view has posted nothing of value. Thx Pat

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Very well put.

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Do you mean to say that you went after me because you don't like what another poster has been saying?

Are you willing to attack a fellow member here because they attacked a camera, an inanimate object, a commercial product?

Your post convinces me all the more that the contributions to the forum by Bipod are spot on and badly needed.

I am not taking anyone's supposed "side" in any manufactured feud. I don't think that is constructive.

Mike

pappleg

Mike, From my perspective I did not "go after you". You appeared to defend and agree with Bipod's posts. If we disagree that's fine but my last post I thought was both informative and somewhat conciliatory. I did not "attack" anyone. Bipod has not posted a single photo of his own and virtually every one of his posts are critical and negative toward anything that has been produced in recent history. I'm done with this thread as there seems nothing that can be said that will be construed in any positive light. Pat

tdekany Loc: Oregon

What is it exactly that Bipod is contributing that is needed?

He admitted in his 3rd thread that he can’t even afford a decent P&S camera. That is sad. But did you ever think that he is just maybe envious?

Because I can’t see any other reason why we would need his negativity around here.