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Jan 3, 2019 12:45:39   #
pv3977 Loc: San Diego
 
IDGuy. That's was my experience with the Z6 that I bought. I took both Z6 and D750 to San Diego Zoo.
I burnt through 4 batteries with Z6 by the end of the day. D750 still have 1 stripe of power left in the indicator.
Sony went through the same experience with early mirrorless design. That's why they updated A7Riii with the new high power density battery FZ100 instead of FW50.

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Jan 3, 2019 12:56:50   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
pv3977 wrote:
IDGuy. That's was my experience with the Z6 that I bought. I took both Z6 and D750 to San Diego Zoo.
I burnt through 4 batteries with Z6 by the end of the day. D750 still have 1 stripe of power left in the indicator.
Sony went through the same experience with early mirrorless design. That's why they updated A7Riii with the new high power density battery FZ100 instead of FW50.


I can’t see any way you could do that, even with leaving wifi, bluetooth, and LCD on. Your camera or your settings must be defective. You might start by doing a reset.

I don’t use more than 25% of one battery on a day with my Z6.

I also don’t see how you could use up 75% of a D750 battery in a day. My D800 could go weeks on a single battery charge. So this makes me suspect your settings.

Or, are you doing video? I don’t do video so don’t know what it demands.

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Jan 3, 2019 13:09:04   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
pv3977 wrote:
IDGuy. That's was my experience with the Z6 that I bought. I took both Z6 and D750 to San Diego Zoo.
I burnt through 4 batteries with Z6 by the end of the day. D750 still have 1 stripe of power left in the indicator.
Sony went through the same experience with early mirrorless design. That's why they updated A7Riii with the new high power density battery FZ100 instead of FW50.


This would be more meaningful if you mentioned the number of shots you took with each.

I took my D850 and Z6 to Bombay Hook NWR last month. My Z6 had almost no drain on the battery while the D850 was at around 50%. I took a couple of dozen pictures with the Z6 and around 800 with the D850.

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Jan 3, 2019 15:16:43   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
I love my Nikon D7, a great camera and very sharp shots, especially with the mirrorless 24-70 f/4. Good landscape and street camera, but the focus does seem a little slow and the fact that the camera turns off takes some getting used to. I have to remember to tap the shutter button to keep it going. The camera is very convenient for simply picking up and running with it, no tripod required for the most part. For faster shots I use the Nikon D500.

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Jan 3, 2019 17:20:58   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
chasgroh wrote:
Respectfully...while there certainly is a chance of something getting through Nikon's QC, unless we are true machinists and know their system, we don't really know. I submit that camera manufacturers, in general, are pretty dang finicky 'bout such things. I worked in a plant manufacturing stuff for satellites and you wouldn't believe our QC, and we're not the Japanese culture-wise, either. Personally, I can only go on 13 years of Nikon equipment with never a problem with their manufacturing/machining (including the FTZ adapter)...of course anecdotal, but I'd wager many more on this board would bear that out...these guys work in ten thousandths of an inch, I *do* wonder what their tolerances are...
Respectfully...while there certainly is a chance o... (show quote)


Here is a good article on the subject by a respected author -

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters/

mostly for geeks - but hope you can understand it......

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Jan 3, 2019 17:25:14   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
pv3977 wrote:
IDGuy. That's was my experience with the Z6 that I bought. I took both Z6 and D750 to San Diego Zoo.
I burnt through 4 batteries with Z6 by the end of the day. D750 still have 1 stripe of power left in the indicator.
Sony went through the same experience with early mirrorless design. That's why they updated A7Riii with the new high power density battery FZ100 instead of FW50.

Bill_de wrote:
This would be more meaningful if you mentioned the number of shots you took with each.

I took my D850 and Z6 to Bombay Hook NWR last month. My Z6 had almost no drain on the battery while the D850 was at around 50%. I took a couple of dozen pictures with the Z6 and around 800 with the D850.

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But then the details would not support his narrative.

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Jan 3, 2019 17:45:18   #
CO
 
imagemeister wrote:
Here is a good article on the subject by a respected author -

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters/

mostly for geeks - but hope you can understand it......

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That's a good article by Roger Cicala and the link in that article for diglloyd.com. I see what he means about doubling the amount of lens mount interfaces. He's saying that a misalignment of 10 microns side to side is enough to cause blur on the side of the image. 10 microns is .0004 inch. I make high-precision parts for the Navy. We sometimes have to work with tolerances that go into the ten-thousands of an inch. It can be very difficult to hold those close tolerances. The inspection lab uses coordinate measuring machines to check many of the parts.

Coordinate measuring machines like this could inspect a part the size of a lens mount to +/- .0002 inch
Coordinate measuring machines like this could insp...
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Jan 3, 2019 17:54:10   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
CO wrote:
That's a good article by Roger Cicala. I see what he means about doubling the amount of lens mount interfaces. He's saying that a misalignment of 10 microns side to side is enough to cause blur on the side of the image. 10 microns is .0004 inch. I make high-precision parts for the Navy. We sometimes have to work with tolerances that go into the ten-thousands of an inch. It can be very difficult to hold those close tolerances. The inspection lab uses coordinate measuring machines to check many of the parts. With a part the size of a lens mount, they would expect that the coordinate measuring machine could check the part to an accuracy of +/- .0002 inch.
That's a good article by Roger Cicala. I see what ... (show quote)


Thanks for the info and clarification !

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Jan 3, 2019 17:56:18   #
pv3977 Loc: San Diego
 
I counted 1972 pictures in Z6 XQD card (986 JPG and 986 NEF) and 2046 pictures in D750 SD Card (1023 JPG and 1023 NEF)

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Jan 3, 2019 20:05:56   #
CO
 
imagemeister wrote:
Here is a good article on the subject by a respected author -

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters/

mostly for geeks - but hope you can understand it......

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In the same article there's a link to an article by diglloyd.com. The last sentence points out that we should not let heavy lenses dangle from the lens mount. "Precision gear won’t stay precise when stressed".

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Jan 3, 2019 20:22:05   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
CO wrote:
In the same article there's a link to an article by diglloyd.com. The last sentence points out that we should not let heavy lenses dangle from the lens mount. "Precision gear won’t stay precise when stressed".


...makes sense to me!

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Jan 3, 2019 20:36:24   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
pv3977 wrote:
I counted 1972 pictures in Z6 XQD card (986 JPG and 986 NEF) and 2046 pictures in D750 SD Card (1023 JPG and 1023 NEF)


I can’t see any way that would take four batteries on the Z6. Possibly one and a half. But more likely less than one as your nefs and jpegs are likely the same exposures. Do you have the new b version of the battery?

As noted earlier, you might need to reset your settings or behavior.

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Jan 4, 2019 14:48:28   #
Bipod
 
imagemeister wrote:
Wow, that's quite an attitude/rant you have there !.....

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Talk to me after you've had to sell your D850 and all its lenses on eBay for $100.
If they succeed in selling the public on this scheme, that day is coming.

BTW, responding to tone is a great way to avoid having to deal with content.
Politiicans do it all the time.

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Jan 4, 2019 14:51:42   #
Bipod
 
jaycoffman wrote:
My my, that was quite a rant--maybe you were bitten by a mirrorless camera when you were young? Anyway, your response was pretty much non-responsive to my questions. I do get it that you don't think switching to mirrorless is a good move at this point in time and I also get it that you didn't pay any attention when I indicated that I am and will remain an amateur and that I shoot for a type of travel photography to insert pictures into my stories of my trips and that because of how I often travel space and weight are at a premium.

Let's see, I do not care how good the modern iPhones are--I have one but cannot take good pictures on it and have no desire to. I actually like being able to play around with shutter speed, f-stops and ISO as well as different focus points etc. To me (and many of my readers) my photography has evolved significantly since I started doing these trip stories and as I have modified and improved the equipment I use--that makes me happy--I don't care about rewards or becoming famous--it's not going to happen. I don't care what famous photographers used as walk-around lenses--I am not them although I very much appreciate a lot of their work.

And for the record I've been following the debate about mirrorless cameras and Nikon vs. Cannon vs. all the other brands on UHH and other sources for some time. I presented this post not because I didn't check out past discussions but because I am presently considering changing format for what I consider valid reasons (I didn't really ask you) and I have a few questions that I was hoping to get the most current thinking on. So far I've had a really good response and I appreciate the other hoggers who took the time to help clarify my questions. They have helped me open my mind to a few new possibilities and to the strengths and weakness of what I'm contemplating and that's what I think this forum is for.

So, thanks for you answer I do always enjoy good rants--I've been know to do a few myself--but unfortunately I must reject yours because it is irrelevant to my questions.
My my, that was quite a rant--maybe you were bitte... (show quote)


Your "question" is full of presuppositions. You already reached a decision---but that doesn't mean
posters are obligated to agree with it or that disagreement is "irrelevant".

Your reply doesn't reply to any of my arguments. Once again. content is ignored because it's not
what someone wanted to hear.

What if you had posted "I've decided to commit suicde. What's the best method?"

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Jan 4, 2019 16:09:28   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Bipod wrote:
What if you had posted "I've decided to commit suicde. What's the best method?"


This is beyond STUPID

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