JD750 Loc: SoCal

What do I think?

Well 300mm f4 that explains the lens. The body looks almost full sized, BUT looking closer, it could be a M43 body with an Extra Battery Pack attached. That would be about right. An OM-D EM-1 with the 300mm f4 lens (600mm full frame equivalent field of view) + hood, and an extra battery pack, would be about the same size as a "full frame" DSLR body with a 24-70 f1.8 lens. That package is still a lot smaller and lighter than the equivalent full frame package.

I am glad to hear Oly is staying with M43. I think the future will bring much better quality to small sensors, BSI for example has yet to make it to M43. Oly is frantically introducing some great glass. The glass is all important. "IQ is about the optics stupid". ;) I think the future (always difficult to see, the future) will also bring us expensive but larger digital sensors, and thus I can see the future the market dividing into two digital formats, M43 for travel and adventure, and all of us mortals, and XXX larger format digital for professionals and marketing companies and studios who can afford it.

Just my thoughts.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

Cat, TK, Bill D,

Please do not feed the trolls.

Don't let Bi-Pod get to you.

Bill_de Loc: US

Just having some fun. Once a thread goes past 3 pages it is usually filled with repetitions and BS.

I found this on a FaceBook page titled Bi-Pod Photography. I don't know if it is the same Bi-Pod, but whoever it is seems to have the same view on spending money.

"Don't trade away your happiness to earn money in hopes that if you make enough you'll be able to buy it back later, You can't"

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JD750 Loc: SoCal

E.L. I suspect you are both.

“Most people do not see any difference between art and craft as they are both considered to be forms of creativity. ... Art is a form of work that is the expression of emotions. Craft is a form of work, which results in a tangible output, for example, moulding and carving.”
Source: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Let me assure you, that I know which cameras are mirrorless and which are not.

Here is a reality check for you: nearly every day you will see a post from a newbie complaining about not being able to get the exposure correct. 100% of the time the camera is a Dslr.

Hand a mirrorless camera to that same person and their result will be superior 100% of the time. So the technology that you discount, in the real world, is helpful to take better photographs. Like cat said, you don’t have any idea about modern EVFs. Otherwise you would not embarrass yourself with your incorrect statement.

Don’t you drive a car? Don’t you live in a home? Use a washer and dryer? Exist? Everything you use is driven by profit and the parts come from the cheapest sources.

Like I said before, you find a problem for every solution.

Even very intelligent people agree to stay away from negative people.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

If you look at his 3rd thread out of the 10 he had started, he is in search of a cheap P&S camera with an OFV. That is what he uses on hikes.

And this is the guy that is telling the photography world that anything smaller than an 8x10 camera can’t take sharp pictures. Or that an evf is so inferior to an OFV. He clearly hasn’t handled a modern mirrorless camera of any kind. On the other hand my preferred car stereo shop uses a canon t3 to document their installations. That OFV is a toy compared to the EVF in my cameras.

What a gut this guy is.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

Your points are all all well taken.

Especially that last sentence. I would substitute "toxic self destructive" for 'negative', because that is a superset of negative. Live by that. It will make your life better at the end.

But back to Mirrorless and WYSIWYG in the EVF. I just went outside in the cold, damn it must be 50 outside (Gotta love SoCal temperatures), brrrr, and I shot my neighbors Christmas lights (Holiday lights if you prefer), with 3 cameras. A tripod was involved. I shot with A DSLR, an SLR, and a modern M43 mirrorless (Oly OM-D EM-5 Mii). ISO 200 on both digital cams, ASA 400 on the SLR. Similar lenses. I shot with the mirrorless first and it was a piece of cake. Looked through the EVF, dialed in exposure to my liking, and snap snap. DONE. Next the DSLR. Hmmm. Very different dim viewing through the optical viewfinder and the reading from the camera exposure meter was different. ? Tried it, snap... chimp. No Good. Make some adjustments (closer to what I had on the OM-D) try again. Snap, chimp. Repeat. Ok got the shot. Next the SLR. Again camera exposure meter.. VERY different from the other two. Maybe I have it set on spot? It's dark I can't see what it is set for, this DSLR does not have an illuminated display. Ok. So go with the meter, bracket it. Three shots. Then WTF, adjust to the mirrorless, exposure, using reciprocity, and snap just for kicks. Results TBD. And damn I was fricking frozen by then. Good thing I had beer for antifreeze.

My point here is you are correct. Digital and Digital-SLRs (DSLR) technology were an improvement over film. The reason the technology dominated was it delivered high quality results much faster than film. Time is money for professionals and the "instant gratification" aspect was a big seller to the public. Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Format is the next step in development (evolution). It delivers high quality results faster than DSLR tech and the public will like that the image they see is the one they get.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

I haven’t looked, but does he have any photos?

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Just looked, not him. That guy uses a D3200 with a kit lens.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

I would but I’m not intelligent.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

Ha. I call BS. ;)

FYI I pressed send before I was ready. DOH. I am not intelligent either. I updated my reply. Please take another look. Thank you.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Looks good to me!

Bipod

How do you know The Alkaliine Diet doesn't cure cancer unless you TRY IT!!!

Your main interest interest may be video. Great! Go take pictures of dogs on skateboards--
you'll get lots of hits on Youtube. But there are plenty of photographers to whom burst
rate makes absolutely no differance.

What still photography can a mirroless camera do that a D850, a EOS 1D X Mk. II, or a 9Ti can't do?

The idea isn't change for change's sake (unless you are involved in making or selling mirrorless
cameras --are you?). The idea is supposed to be change that enables us to do things we couldn't
do before But this is just fashion: hems go up, hems go down; ties get narrow, ties get wide.
Fashion in clothing may do no harm, but in the tools of art or photography, it can do a great
deal of harm.

You have given no indication of even a basic understanding of photography, CatMarley.
I doubt you care anything at all about photography, or understand what is at stake here.

How many F-mount lenses as Nikon manufactured since 1959?
How many EF-mount lenes has Canon manufactured since 1987?
How many A-mount lenses have Konica Minolta and Sony manufactured since 1985?

Millions. And many of these lenses are in the hands of serious photographers who may
not be able to afford to replace their lenses. You may not care about those people, but I do.
Today they can buy new cameras that can use those excellent lenses. If the "mirrorless"
gimmick succeeds in winning over Joe Consumer, tomorrow those lenses may be orphaned.

Adapters are not a good option. The very short FFDs of mirrorless cameas means that the
slightest variation in tolerance (or wear on the lens mount) will cause unsharpness.
When the FFD is only 17 mm or 18 mm, a 0.1 mm error is huge.

If you understood business or economics, you would understand that the current situation
is not sustainable: either the DSLR lens mounts will disappear, or the MILC ones will.

Everyone could have had their choice if just the consumer companies -- Sony, Panasonic
etc. -- had made MILCS. But Sony's marketing has forced Canon and now even Nikon
to make them. Either Z-mount or F-mount must go away. EIther EF-M or EF-mount
must go away. Global digitial camera shipments have shrunk by 70% since 2011.

This will not affect Leica, Hassalblad or Mamiya--because they don't sell to Joe Consumer.
They will continue to make cameras based on capability, not fashion.

What a shame that dingbat consumers will decide what cameras are available for all
photographers to buy (unless they can afford to buy from Leica, Hassalblad or Mamiya).

That doesn't affect you, so you don't give a damn.

anotherview Loc: California

Tend to agree with your view here:

"Digital and Digital-SLRs (DSLR) technology were an improvement over film. The reason the (digital) technology dominated was it delivered high quality results much faster than film. Time is money for professionals and the 'instant gratification' aspect was a big seller to the public. Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Format is the next step in development (evolution). It delivers high quality results faster than DSLR tech and the public will like that the image they see is the one they get."

The history of photography involves a steady advance of technology applied to this powerful medium of human expression.

I offer one caveat. The mirrorless SLR will take longer to replace the DSLR than it took for the DSLR to replace SLR film photography. But the progression from one advance to the next no doubt will succeed.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Another condescending post. And is it a side effect of one of your medications that makes you believe your own lies? Do you really think any of us believe your delusions?

You are the only one whining about new tech. Who are these imaginary people you care about? Did they ask you to speak up for them? Because the last time I looked, those who shoot film, are just fine, shooting away and post their results on uhh and on other forums.

OR ARE YOU JUST FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU CANNOT AFFORD A DECENT CAMERA?

You are a big hypocrite. Why is it that you are trying to replace your broken P&S digital camera that you take on hikes? Here you are, claiming no advantage of mirrorless, yet you yourself use one. Why don’t you just carry your 8x10? You are a big hypocrite. Who thought you to be a hypocrite?



There are even more photographers to whom burst rate is important.



More delusions! I guess taking too many medications comes with a price. Lol! How many people have you accused of being employees of camera manufacturers?

You should try comedy, because you are too funny!!!!



You have given no indication that you even take photos. You are on a photography forum without a single photo posted. I don’t doubt that you don’t care about others, I know that you don’t. You have the balls to claim that your reason is theft, YET YOU HAVE NO ISSUES POSTING LINKS TO PHOTOGRAPHERS WORK.

What a con you are.

There is nothing at stake here. It’s called TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!

What ever choices you have made in life, it is your own fault that you can’t afford a new camera.

CatMarley is 100% correct accessing you.



She’s got your number!!!!

Stop being bitter Bipod!!!!