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Dec 25, 2018 13:02:03   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
frankraney wrote:
Thanks Jerry......I did a lot of reviewing....I only had a grand, which was a big factor....I really like the flip out screen on the 5600.....When I went to the local store to feel them out, I decided I probabbly would never use the flip out (or at leas not very often) and when I got the 7200 in my hands, I thought "Wow" for the couple hundred extra (i'll make it work), there was no comparison. I fell in love right there.....and got the 7200....It is built SO much better. It may not be a pro camera, but it is dam close! Hans on is always a big advantage!

Got the 18-140 3.5 vr lens with it...Wow what a lens.....it's heavy too....good glass and body......it will probabbly becom my walk around lens.

Read the manual and am now going through it with the camera in hand.....
Thanks Jerry......I did a lot of reviewing....I o... (show quote)


Right decision! Congrats on the new camera - now go get some great shots and post.

Cheers

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Dec 25, 2018 13:15:46   #
PhotoPhred Loc: Cheyney, Pa
 
I have the D7100 and a d5100 for a backup. I like the 7100 more, it is a little heavier but a lot more control. I know that the 7100 and 7200 are out of production so you can probably get some very good deals on either of them. Also, you could go to a store and pick up and hold a d5xxx and a d7xxx and see which feels more comfortable.

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Dec 25, 2018 13:21:12   #
sroter Loc: Montreal,Quebec. Canada
 
I have no experience with the D5600, but I liked my D7100 so much, when it got to 120k clicks, I bought a 2nd one.
frankraney wrote:
Dam, I've got gas and can not decide between the D5600 Or the D7100.....I love the features on the 5600 but I love the expanded ISO on the 7100. The 5600 has a good iso range but I think i'd like the iso 50 on the 7100......Both are on sale at the local camera store......I will get the body only and add a lens, not kit lenses. I'm thinking of the 18-140 or the 70-300, I really like the 18-140 and that may be my choice. decisionis decisions......it's gonna happen today......any help?

Thinking of a doubler too, but the guy at the store says it won't work with either lens I am looking at. I thought the douibler would work with any af lens....Gotta do some more research on that......that don't have to happen today...
Dam, I've got gas and can not decide between the D... (show quote)

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Dec 25, 2018 13:37:39   #
banjoboy Loc: Austin, TX
 
One factor moved me from the 5xxx to the 7xxx (7100 in my decision a few years ago) was that the 7100 has a LOCK switch available to keep the focus spot in one place. The 5xxx I had (5300 I think) had no lock, and simply handling the camera would cause me to bump the buttons which move the focus spot. With a few blind spots in my eyes after retina detachments, that meant I could often not find the spot when I was ready to take a shot. On the 7100 I could lock it to the center spot, and then easily locate it, do focus, recompose, shoot. Apparently I'm the only one who has this problem, because I never see it mentioned, but it was a big deal for me. I see you have already chosen, so, good choice and hope you enjoy it. Since my 7100 I've moved to the Olympus world with the OM-D E-M1 II and I'm very happy there too. Still, the 7100 did an outstanding job for me (and now does for my daughter), and I'm sure the 7200 is even better.

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Dec 25, 2018 13:57:34   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
MT Shooter wrote:
You will love that D7200, still a wonderful camera.


Thanks MT. I always appreaciate your input.....so far I LOVE THIS 7200........I think I made the right choice for the money. I only had a grand, but I streatced it a little......

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Dec 25, 2018 15:33:22   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
frankraney wrote:
I ended up getting the 7200 and the 18-140 f3.5 with vr

Great choice! You will happy with this combo. I shot with a D7100 and the 18-140mm for several years and was really pleased.

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Dec 25, 2018 18:02:17   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
You made a good choice going with the D7200.

Don

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Dec 26, 2018 08:20:07   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
frankraney wrote:
Dam, I've got gas and can not decide between the D5600 Or the D7100.....I love the features on the 5600 but I love the expanded ISO on the 7100. The 5600 has a good iso range but I think i'd like the iso 50 on the 7100......Both are on sale at the local camera store......I will get the body only and add a lens, not kit lenses. I'm thinking of the 18-140 or the 70-300, I really like the 18-140 and that may be my choice. decisionis decisions......it's gonna happen today......any help?

Thinking of a doubler too, but the guy at the store says it won't work with either lens I am looking at. I thought the douibler would work with any af lens....Gotta do some more research on that......that don't have to happen today...
Dam, I've got gas and can not decide between the D... (show quote)


Why to you feel you need ISO 50? A 1-stop ND filter can accomplish the same thing, if you feel you need another stop slower shutter speed or larger aperture. Personally I avoid "expanded" ISOs because they aren't "real". They're accomplished by shooting at the highest or lowest ISO in the non-expanded range and then "pushed" or "pulled" as needed to achieve the expanded ISO. You can do the same thing in post-processing, too. Higher expanded ISOs lose resolution and amplify image noise. Lower expanded ISOs reduce contrast and saturation. At the other extreme, the D7100's highest avail. ISO without expansion is 6400 (12800 and 25600 are expansion ISOs). The 3.5 year newer D5600 has two stops higher 25600 without expansion, which is probably more usable thanks to newer sensor, software and processor.

So, if anything, the D7100's ISO range would be a step backward from the much newer D5600.

In other ways the D7100 has some advantages...
- Better build including more sealing for weather resistance and a true pentaprism versus a "penta-mirror" in the D5600
- Somewhat more sophisticated AF system (51-point versus 39-point and 15 "cross" type points vs 9).
- Ability to utilize more lenses, thanks to in-body focusing motor. D7100 can autofocus "AF" lenses that the D5600 can't. (Both can use "AF-S" lenses. If I recall correctly, D7100 needs a firmware update to use "AF-P" lenses, and still may have some limitations. D5600 can use "AF-P" without any problem.)
- Micro Focus Adjustment feature is on D7100, but not on D5600.
- Higher resolution rear LCD monitor (but the D5600's is an articulated Touch screen and the D7100's isn't)
- Higher specification shutter... top speed of 1/8000 & flash sync 1/250 versus 1/4000 & 1/200 on D5600... life expectancy of 150,000 clicks versus 100K with D5600.
- 6 frames per sec continuous shooting versus 5 fps with D5600 (however, D7100 is notorious for having a very small image buffer, so cannot shoot long bursts).

There is a lot more pro and con you can see here:

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7100-vs-Nikon-D5600
https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/nikon-d5600-vs-nikon-d7100
https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/nikon/d7100/vs/nikon/d5600/

In a nutshell, I'd say keep what you've got unless some of the features of the D7100 are overwhelmingly important to you. The 3.5 year newer D5600 is in many ways a superior camera or the equal of the D7100.

The guy at the store is correct. 2X teleconverters will not work on those lenses. A 2X teleconverter reduces light passing through by two full stops. Those lenses you mention are around f/5.6 already, so after adding a teleconverter you'll have effective f/11 aperture. This will prevent AF from working and make your viewfinder very dim to try to manually focus. To be practical for use with 2X a lens must have a max aperture of at least f/4, but f/2.8 is a lot more practical. FYI, a less extreme 1.4X teleconverter only "costs" one stop of light and might be possible on more lenses. All teleconverters work better with prime lenses, too... than they do with zooms such as you're considering. There are myriad possible combinations, some of which might work okay.... but there is some loss of image quality with teleconverters. With a prime that has very high image quality to start with, the loss may be minimal and tolerable. With other lenses and especially with many zooms, not so much. The teleconverter will amplify any short-comings of the lens.

Some teleconverter designs also use a protruding front element that needs to fit inside the rear of the lens it's fitted upon. This physically prevents some lenses from being used with those teleconverters because the inner barrel of the lens isn't large enough diameter or because the rear elements of the lens are too far rearward and will interfere with the teleconverter. This is especially true of "DX" or crop-only design lenses, which are inherently smaller and often use a design with more rearward elements.

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Dec 26, 2018 10:15:28   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Why to you feel you need ISO 50? A 1-stop ND filter can accomplish the same thing, if you feel you need another stop slower shutter speed or larger aperture. Personally I avoid "expanded" ISOs because they aren't "real". They're accomplished by shooting at the highest or lowest ISO in the non-expanded range and then "pushed" or "pulled" as needed to achieve the expanded ISO. You can do the same thing in post-processing, too. Higher expanded ISOs lose resolution and amplify image noise. Lower expanded ISOs reduce contrast and saturation. At the other extreme, the D7100's highest avail. ISO without expansion is 6400 (12800 and 25600 are expansion ISOs). The 3.5 year newer D5600 has two stops higher 25600 without expansion, which is probably more usable thanks to newer sensor, software and processor.

So, if anything, the D7100's ISO range would be a step backward from the much newer D5600.

In other ways the D7100 has some advantages...
- Better build including more sealing for weather resistance and a true pentaprism versus a "penta-mirror" in the D5600
- Somewhat more sophisticated AF system (51-point versus 39-point and 15 "cross" type points vs 9).
- Ability to utilize more lenses, thanks to in-body focusing motor. D7100 can autofocus "AF" lenses that the D5600 can't. (Both can use "AF-S" lenses. If I recall correctly, D7100 needs a firmware update to use "AF-P" lenses, and still may have some limitations. D5600 can use "AF-P" without any problem.)
- Micro Focus Adjustment feature is on D7100, but not on D5600.
- Higher resolution rear LCD monitor (but the D5600's is an articulated Touch screen and the D7100's isn't)
- Higher specification shutter... top speed of 1/8000 & flash sync 1/250 versus 1/4000 & 1/200 on D5600... life expectancy of 150,000 clicks versus 100K with D5600.
- 6 frames per sec continuous shooting versus 5 fps with D5600 (however, D7100 is notorious for having a very small image buffer, so cannot shoot long bursts).

There is a lot more pro and con you can see here:

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7100-vs-Nikon-D5600
https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/nikon-d5600-vs-nikon-d7100
https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/nikon/d7100/vs/nikon/d5600/

In a nutshell, I'd say keep what you've got unless some of the features of the D7100 are overwhelmingly important to you. The 3.5 year newer D5600 is in many ways a superior camera or the equal of the D7100.

The guy at the store is correct. 2X teleconverters will not work on those lenses. A 2X teleconverter reduces light passing through by two full stops. Those lenses you mention are around f/5.6 already, so after adding a teleconverter you'll have effective f/11 aperture. This will prevent AF from working and make your viewfinder very dim to try to manually focus. To be practical for use with 2X a lens must have a max aperture of at least f/4, but f/2.8 is a lot more practical. FYI, a less extreme 1.4X teleconverter only "costs" one stop of light and might be possible on more lenses. All teleconverters work better with prime lenses, too... than they do with zooms such as you're considering. There are myriad possible combinations, some of which might work okay.... but there is some loss of image quality with teleconverters. With a prime that has very high image quality to start with, the loss may be minimal and tolerable. With other lenses and especially with many zooms, not so much. The teleconverter will amplify any short-comings of the lens.

Some teleconverter designs also use a protruding front element that needs to fit inside the rear of the lens it's fitted upon. This physically prevents some lenses from being used with those teleconverters because the inner barrel of the lens isn't large enough diameter or because the rear elements of the lens are too far rearward and will interfere with the teleconverter. This is especially true of "DX" or crop-only design lenses, which are inherently smaller and often use a design with more rearward elements.
Why to you feel you need ISO 50? A 1-stop ND filte... (show quote)

Do you ever read beyond the first post?
The OP wound up buying a Nikon D7200.

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Dec 26, 2018 10:24:23   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Do you ever read beyond the first post?
The OP wound up buying a Nikon D7200.


No. He never has the time, he's too busy typing his own never ending replies to read anything else! 😂😂

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Dec 26, 2018 10:38:46   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Alan, I got the 7200 for a lot of the reasons you mention..... But I did not get it, nor have I mentioned, iso 50.......

Couldn't keep what I have.......3300 (got it when it first came out) does not even compare, but it got me going, and I can pass it on to get someone else started.

I was thinking 7100 because it would be cheaper and not much difference from 7200.... But they had sold the last 7100, so we looked at the 7200 and got it...... For a few dollars more.

amfoto1 wrote:
Why to you feel you need ISO 50? A 1-stop ND filter can accomplish the same thing, if you feel you need another stop slower shutter speed or larger aperture. Personally I avoid "expanded" ISOs because they aren't "real". They're accomplished by shooting at the highest or lowest ISO in the non-expanded range and then "pushed" or "pulled" as needed to achieve the expanded ISO. You can do the same thing in post-processing, too. Higher expanded ISOs lose resolution and amplify image noise. Lower expanded ISOs reduce contrast and saturation. At the other extreme, the D7100's highest avail. ISO without expansion is 6400 (12800 and 25600 are expansion ISOs). The 3.5 year newer D5600 has two stops higher 25600 without expansion, which is probably more usable thanks to newer sensor, software and processor.

So, if anything, the D7100's ISO range would be a step backward from the much newer D5600.

In other ways the D7100 has some advantages...
- Better build including more sealing for weather resistance and a true pentaprism versus a "penta-mirror" in the D5600
- Somewhat more sophisticated AF system (51-point versus 39-point and 15 "cross" type points vs 9).
- Ability to utilize more lenses, thanks to in-body focusing motor. D7100 can autofocus "AF" lenses that the D5600 can't. (Both can use "AF-S" lenses. If I recall correctly, D7100 needs a firmware update to use "AF-P" lenses, and still may have some limitations. D5600 can use "AF-P" without any problem.)
- Micro Focus Adjustment feature is on D7100, but not on D5600.
- Higher resolution rear LCD monitor (but the D5600's is an articulated Touch screen and the D7100's isn't)
- Higher specification shutter... top speed of 1/8000 & flash sync 1/250 versus 1/4000 & 1/200 on D5600... life expectancy of 150,000 clicks versus 100K with D5600.
- 6 frames per sec continuous shooting versus 5 fps with D5600 (however, D7100 is notorious for having a very small image buffer, so cannot shoot long bursts).

There is a lot more pro and con you can see here:

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D7100-vs-Nikon-D5600
https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/nikon-d5600-vs-nikon-d7100
https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/nikon/d7100/vs/nikon/d5600/

In a nutshell, I'd say keep what you've got unless some of the features of the D7100 are overwhelmingly important to you. The 3.5 year newer D5600 is in many ways a superior camera or the equal of the D7100.

The guy at the store is correct. 2X teleconverters will not work on those lenses. A 2X teleconverter reduces light passing through by two full stops. Those lenses you mention are around f/5.6 already, so after adding a teleconverter you'll have effective f/11 aperture. This will prevent AF from working and make your viewfinder very dim to try to manually focus. To be practical for use with 2X a lens must have a max aperture of at least f/4, but f/2.8 is a lot more practical. FYI, a less extreme 1.4X teleconverter only "costs" one stop of light and might be possible on more lenses. All teleconverters work better with prime lenses, too... than they do with zooms such as you're considering. There are myriad possible combinations, some of which might work okay.... but there is some loss of image quality with teleconverters. With a prime that has very high image quality to start with, the loss may be minimal and tolerable. With other lenses and especially with many zooms, not so much. The teleconverter will amplify any short-comings of the lens.

Some teleconverter designs also use a protruding front element that needs to fit inside the rear of the lens it's fitted upon. This physically prevents some lenses from being used with those teleconverters because the inner barrel of the lens isn't large enough diameter or because the rear elements of the lens are too far rearward and will interfere with the teleconverter. This is especially true of "DX" or crop-only design lenses, which are inherently smaller and often use a design with more rearward elements.
Why to you feel you need ISO 50? A 1-stop ND filte... (show quote)

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Dec 26, 2018 10:42:58   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
3 things the 5600 doesn’t have that the 7100 does:
In-body focusing motor so you can use the older AF lenses.
Pop up flash will control one or more remote flashes.
Pentamirror vs brighter pentaprism viewfinder.
If none interests you, it would be a harder decision.
Happy holidays!


And twice the price and weight.

Plus a crappy control approach using randomly placed unlighted buttons and unreadable little green screen compared to the elegant touch screen approach of the D5600.

And the D5600 articulated screen has many uses. Oh, and SnapBridge.

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Dec 26, 2018 10:51:03   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
banjoboy wrote:
One factor moved me from the 5xxx to the 7xxx (7100 in my decision a few years ago) was that the 7100 has a LOCK switch available to keep the focus spot in one place. The 5xxx I had (5300 I think) had no lock, and simply handling the camera would cause me to bump the buttons which move the focus spot. With a few blind spots in my eyes after retina detachments, that meant I could often not find the spot when I was ready to take a shot. On the 7100 I could lock it to the center spot, and then easily locate it, do focus, recompose, shoot. Apparently I'm the only one who has this problem, because I never see it mentioned, but it was a big deal for me. I see you have already chosen, so, good choice and hope you enjoy it. Since my 7100 I've moved to the Olympus world with the OM-D E-M1 II and I'm very happy there too. Still, the 7100 did an outstanding job for me (and now does for my daughter), and I'm sure the 7200 is even better.
One factor moved me from the 5xxx to the 7xxx (710... (show quote)


Never had that problem with D5xxxs. But pushing center of multiselecor centers focus point.

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Dec 26, 2018 10:53:49   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Mama Bear984 wrote:
The 5600 is a beginners camera. It’s ok but you will soon tire of it.
Get the 7100 & the 18-140. I had that combo for years before I switched to Fuji.
It traveled the world with me.
Never let me down.


Silly comment. The D5600 is an elegant machine. I grabbed mine most of the time over my D800 due to its many features.

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Dec 26, 2018 11:26:06   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
IDguy wrote:
Silly comment. The D5600 is an elegant machine. I grabbed mine most of the time over my D800 due to its many features.


Then you should sell the D800 to someone who can appreciate it

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