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Dec 24, 2018 08:00:08   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Most useful observation: "Many photographers who shoot digital will also record their images as raw files, which allow for more control over the results - since nearly everything that you can set up in the camera you can set up in a raw editor."
Gene51 wrote:
It is an often stated widely repeated but just as widely misunderstood that using a camera in auto lets the camera make creative decisions. It doesn't. It merely follows your instructions - based on camera settings, camera profile, and picture controls. You are always in control, and choosing auto everything is a creative choice.

Part of using manual adjustments for all of the camera settings requires a solid knowledge of what the camera does for each setting.

Lets take a look at metering mode - most cameras have the following settings - average, center weighted, evaluative/matrix, and spot. Understanding which one to use and when to use it is where many people get stuck. So, as an example you are taking a picture of three dogs - a brilliantly white Samoyede, Black Poodle, and a a Grey Pit Bull - and these are all in the same light. One approach would be to set the meter to spot mode, which will measure a small part of the image - usually the center 1% to 15% of the entire frame. If you measure the grey dog, yo'll get one reading, if you measure the white dog it will reflect more light and you will get a different reading, and if you read the black dog, which will reflect less light you'll get yet another reading. Which one is correct? Well, all of them. You can probably use the reading off the grey dog, and both the white and black dogs will be properly exposed. But if you use the reading from the white dog, the white dog will turn out grey, the grey dog will be black, and the black dog will be without much detail. Camera meters are set up to produce a correct exposure for middle grey. The camera doesn't know what the tonal value is of your subject, so no matter what you are reading the result will produce a nice middle grey.

Your experience as a photographer will suggest that if you read the white dog, you'll need to make it brighter than grey, which you will do by raising the ISO, using a longer shutter speed, or using a larger aperture in the lens - or a combination of all three. In it's most basic form, this is manual exposure.
This explains how meters work.

http://www.digital-photo-secrets.com/tip/2879/which-is-best-spot-center-weight-or-matrix-metering/

Many photographers who shoot digital will also record their images as raw files, which allow for more control over the results - since nearly everything that you can set up in the camera you can set up in a raw editor - but the best part is you can have a custom set of adjustments that are specific to each image. Many shooters that do not opt for raw will "set it and forget it" and often not make subject specific adjustments.
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Dec 24, 2018 08:28:50   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I do not see any reasons why you should not get excellent shots in AUTO. Using flexible program gives you some control over the exposure.
If you shoot RAW then you will have to work a little bit more to bring the files to life.

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Dec 24, 2018 08:36:41   #
AGO
 
I agree with Bob. I shoot mainly in shutter priority. I can control my aperture by changing my shutter speed to get the right combination. I can also either over or under expose from the meter reading by changing the EV. The only time I shoot in full manual is for difficult shots or when I really need to alter the ISO.

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Dec 24, 2018 08:37:39   #
Country Boy Loc: Beckley, WV
 
I promise, if you continue to enjoy AUTO I won't tell anyone. If the results meet your standards, what else matters?

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Dec 24, 2018 08:46:29   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
The step I took after auto was the P mode. It’s Auto but you can make changes. In Program mode, I peeped at the result and the first change I learned was exposure compensation, correcting for too much light or too little. PP can’t do everything you may want to achieve.

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Dec 24, 2018 08:48:47   #
jeryh Loc: Oxfordshire UK
 
If you are happy with auto, why deviate from it ? And don't be a slave to raw- it's not everybody's cup coffee !

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Dec 24, 2018 08:51:23   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
In a way, shooting in Auto mode is like painting by numbers. If you like the end result, keep doing it. If not, make the leap to other modes, and there are many. I’m a snap shooter and don’t put a lot of thought beforehand into what I shoot so I use Program mode. I can change the shutter speed or aperture with the turn of a dial on the fly and the other will follow. ISO is independent of that interplay but affects the other two. The only time I use Manual is with my TTL flash.

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Dec 24, 2018 09:15:34   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Auto does a good job with good lighting. But there are situations with tricky lighting or subjects with a lot of very light or very dark tones that will fool the camera, and result in exposures which are too far off to be easily corrected with PP. Especially if you blow out your highlights, the detail can never be recovered.

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Dec 24, 2018 10:02:44   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
camerapapi wrote:
I do not see any reasons why you should not get excellent shots in AUTO. Using flexible program gives you some control over the exposure.
If you shoot RAW then you will have to work a little bit more to bring the files to life.


Backlighting
Side lighting
Specular reflections
Night photography - city scapes
Low contrast light
High contrast light

For openers. There are many more reasons why shooting with Auto everything can result in less-than-desirable results. No substitute for understanding when and where auto can work well, and more importantly where it doesn't.

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Dec 24, 2018 10:11:25   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
The Only thing that counts is are you happy with your results. So, if you like your pics shot in auto, no trea

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Dec 24, 2018 10:11:28   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
OneShotOne18 wrote:
I have too many pots on the fire. Or as the saying goes: jack of all trades, a master of none. At 75, I stay busy. I'm learning about shooting off auto. Albeit slowllly! I'm wondering why can't I just shoot in auto? Then I'll do all the great for looks on my post processing program( On1Raw)? I have been reading posts here and most everyone seems to shoot off auto. Can I get a great photo after pp that was shot from auto mode? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.THX!


Yes. And it is up to you. If you are happy with the camera's decisions. It depends on what you are looking for, recording a scene by default programming (which can be very good with some cameras) or creative manipulation by varying degrees in other modes. My suggestion is to shoot sets of the same photo (same target & conditions) in Auto and chimp, then shoot same scene in manual (or setting of choice) and chimp, that will help you make the transition to a manual shooter, if you desire to. If you want to shoot in Auto, or whatever mode, by all means, proceed - it is your time, camera and decision.

I suggest this (shoot & chimp/mode change/shoot & chimp) method as it is an easy way to immediately see the different versions of the shot, and see how the selections you made improve or degrade the resulting photo. It will give you alternate versions to work on in PP. Oh, "Chimp" simply means to review each shot, look at the individual picture data & histograms, see what is happening when settings change. If you tie this together with some reading/studying of how to improve your shots, it is sorta like homeschooling. At any rate, have fun with it!

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Dec 24, 2018 10:27:41   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
OneShotOne18 wrote:
I have too many pots on the fire. Or as the saying goes: jack of all trades, a master of none. At 75, I stay busy. I'm learning about shooting off auto. Albeit slowllly! I'm wondering why can't I just shoot in auto? Then I'll do all the great for looks on my post processing program( On1Raw)? I have been reading posts here and most everyone seems to shoot off auto. Can I get a great photo after pp that was shot from auto mode? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.THX!


When I got my first DSLR, I shot in Auto for two years. I was happy with my photos. They were immensely better than ones I had gotten with my previous point and shoot. Then one day, I found this site and after following it for quite a while, decided to “get out of auto” and learn my camera. The folks on this site were extremely helpful and I studied Peterson’s book and learned my camera from a book written for it (not the manual).

At first my pictures were worse. Now, I can confidently shoot in manual or any mode and my pictures show the difference. I am still learning and will never stop.

Good luck.

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Dec 24, 2018 10:32:25   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I shot in auto for my entire first year in digital photography. It took me that long (and several trips to Youtube) to learn how to adjust the aperture on my camera. I cut my teeth on film where all the aperture settings took place on the lens!

If you shoot in auto you will lose detail in the highlights and in the shadows -- that is the nature of the beast. That being said, go ahead and shoot in Auto, life is too short to sweat the small things!

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Dec 24, 2018 10:48:57   #
Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR
 
Country Boy wrote:
I promise, if you continue to enjoy AUTO I won't tell anyone. If the results meet your standards, what else matters?


Enjoy your pictures and spend some time with those other pots.

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Dec 24, 2018 10:52:54   #
bbrowner Loc: Chapel Hill, NC
 
Not to cause an argument or anything... but...

'Practice Makes Perfect' is an old saying that may not be true. Practice may ingrain a technique through repetition. Yes... you may perfect that technique. But if you practice incorrectly... you may perfect something negative.

I was a professional musician and teacher my entire career. Progress only comes from CORRECT practice. Be careful with old sayings.

Barry

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