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Dec 9, 2018 19:37:19   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Keen wrote:
Canon has changed it's lens mount 7 times, which means that if you have slightly older lenses, they won't go on newer cameras. Nikon has kept the same lens mount for decades, so most older lenses will go onto most newer cameras. I recently bought a discontinued Nikon 35mm film slr lens for $27.00 which works on my D7200 dslr camera as a Full Frame lens. You won't find deals like that on Canon gear, because of the frequent lens mount changes Canon pulls. That alone keeps me from buying modern Canon gear DSLR, mirrorless, or otherwise. If you are going to get a mirrorless system, and pay the sort of prices they demand, be sure to get one which has TWO memory card slots. Nikon's new Z system cameras only have one card slot. For that kind of money, I would also go with a Full Frame model, rather than a Crop Frame model. If I were buying mirrorless, at this time, I would probably go with the Sony A7 Riii, or Sony A9.
Canon has changed it's lens mount 7 times, which m... (show quote)

You might want to put down the eggnog ...

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Dec 9, 2018 19:50:37   #
Keen
 
[quote=CHG_CANON]You might want to put down the eggnog ...[/quote -

Since 1959 Canon has had 7 lens mounts. In that same time, Nikon had one mount. Try to mount a 1970s, or 1980s, or 1990s era Canon lens to a post 2000, or post 2010, Canon Camera. It won't work. In fact, you can not even mount today's Canon Crop Frame lenses to today's Canon Full Frame cameras, since today's Canon Crop Frame, and Full Frame, systems have different lens mounts. I can put decades old Nikon film, and digital, lenses on today's Nikon digital cameras. I can put today's Nikon Digital Crop Frame lenses on today's Digital Full Frame cameras. It will vignette like H*LL, but will fit, and work. I can also put today's Nikon Full Frame digital lenses on today's Nikon Crop Frame digital cameras, and it will work perfectly. That is NOT possible on Canon gear.

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Dec 9, 2018 19:51:50   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Seriously, you seem to have had your fill for the evening ...

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Dec 9, 2018 20:12:02   #
Keen
 
[quote=CHG_CANON]You might want to put down the eggnog ...[/quote

- So....show me a 2001 Canon 35mm film system lens (EF mount) which can go on today's canon EM mount cameras without a costly adapter, and which (the lens) costs only $27.00. You can't do it. The adapter alone would cost more than that. My Nikon F Mount 28-80mm 35mm film system AF G lens, f/3.3-5.6, fits onto my Nikon D7200 DSLR with no adapter needed, and works perfectly. Canon changes it's lens mounts about every 8 years. It currently has different mounts for it's current Crop Frame, and Current Full Frame, lenses. When I pay multiple thousands of dollars for a camera, and then have to spend more for lenses for it, I want the thing to remain useful for more than 8 years. I do not want to be forced to buy multiple adapters.

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Dec 9, 2018 20:31:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Make sure someone has your keys ... Canon's EOS system and EF mount have been the worldwide leader in photography since shortly after the 1987 introduction of this all-electronic autofocus system. After a long season of incompatibility, the older manual focus FD mount displaced by the EF mount is now a hot commodity on mirrorless systems, on the new Canon R cameras and Sony and others. But, it seems these developments have been lost on you as well as the details of the original post in this thread. After you've slept it off, check again on how many years ago 1987 occurred from today's date. If you're happy with your system, there's no reason to develop a false conspiracy about Canon based on complete falsehoods mixed with unrelated and misleading historical events.

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Dec 9, 2018 23:32:12   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
mas24 wrote:
Probably the Sony a6000 for less money. It is a crop sensor just like the Canon T7i. The T7i is an excellent camera too. Your Canon is a DSLR, whereas the Sony is more compact in size.


Agree! The Sony a6000 is an excellent camera.

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Dec 10, 2018 06:14:25   #
jeffhacker Loc: Dallas, Texas
 
Good advice, I think. I shoot with a Nikon D500 but needed a. Lighter, smaller, “grab and go” camera to take on business trips. Bought an Olympus OMD-EM-5 Mark II. Great camera, but I found the Electronic viewfinder was too slow for me (by the time a picture was in focus, it was gone). Got rid of it and bought a Sony a6300 with a f/4 18-105 mini zoom and a f/1.8 50mm prime. I still prefer the big Nikon, for a bunch of reasons, but the Sony works well and takes great pictures. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy the Sony you see if you can get the deal, but would much recommend looking at alternatives to 42nd Street Photo.

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Dec 10, 2018 06:25:44   #
miked46 Loc: Winter Springs, Florida
 
I own the M50 Mirrorless and it matches up very well against the T7i. And the price is the same, and it has better video.

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Dec 10, 2018 07:06:47   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
dmgallmon wrote:
Currently looking at the Canon T7i with 18-55 lens and adding 55-250 lens to purchase package for total of $788.00. This will be my first DSLR camera, is it better to invest in that camera or go with a mirrorless. If mirrorless, what is a good one in that price range?? Thanks in advance for all responses and for helping out a newbie.


I would carefully consider where you think you will go with your photography, when I bought my first DSLR I purchased a Canon because I had a few old Canon lenses laying around and I thought that I would be saving money sticking with Canon. Lenses for many quickly become your largest investment and tend to lock you into one system or another. If I were starting out from scratch I think that I would definitely be considering mirrorless, I have some great Canon bodies and a ton of money invested in lenses, so making the change is hard, I did recently however purchase a Fuji X-T2 for use with my old vintage lenses and have to say I have been quite impressed with the mirrorless system. I think that if I were starting all over again I would definitely go mirrorless, either Sony or Fuji however these cameras are priced a bit over your stated budget.

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Dec 10, 2018 07:17:20   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
I think that the DSLR technology has run its course. The T7i is a fine camera, but I would not invest in a new system whose core technology is obsolete.

I would go with a mirrorless system. The technological innovation has been amazing and is ongoing. The A6000 has been mentioned before--a superb entry-level camera. Sony offers a mature mirrorless system with a wide choice of lenses, both in the APS-C (A6000) and the full frame (A7 series) cameras.

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Dec 10, 2018 07:39:15   #
BuckeyeBilly Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
 
dmgallmon wrote:
Currently looking at the Canon T7i with 18-55 lens and adding 55-250 lens to purchase package for total of $788.00. This will be my first DSLR camera, is it better to invest in that camera or go with a mirrorless. If mirrorless, what is a good one in that price range?? Thanks in advance for all responses and for helping out a newbie.


Here is a great offer from Canon for you to consider: it's a T7i refurbished with an 18-135 mm lens, strap, battery with charger and eyecap, all for $849 and I'm pretty sure that shipping is free. Many of us on UHH buy refurbs and are quite satisfied. Canon reconditions the camera to like new status and.gives you a 1-year warranty.
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-rebel-t7i-ef-s-18-135-is-stm-kit-refurbished

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Dec 10, 2018 07:46:51   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
dmgallmon wrote:
Currently looking at the Canon T7i with 18-55 lens and adding 55-250 lens to purchase package for total of $788.00. This will be my first DSLR camera, is it better to invest in that camera or go with a mirrorless. If mirrorless, what is a good one in that price range?? Thanks in advance for all responses and for helping out a newbie.


The T7i is a great camera getting you into a comprehensive system second to none.
All your lenses will work 100% if you decide to ever go Canon mirrorless in the future and all EF/EF-S lenses ever made will work 100% on the T7i now. So if you come across a good used lens at a great price you have absolutely no fear of compatibility with your investment.
Also this camera is totally capable of superb professional results if you do your part.
I believe you have made an excellent choice in the T7i that you can grow with.

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Dec 10, 2018 08:07:22   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Keen wrote:
Canon has changed it's lens mount 7 times, which means that if you have slightly older lenses, they won't go on newer cameras. Nikon has kept the same lens mount for decades, so most older lenses will go onto most newer cameras. I recently bought a discontinued Nikon 35mm film slr lens for $27.00 which works on my D7200 dslr camera as a Full Frame lens. You won't find deals like that on Canon gear, because of the frequent lens mount changes Canon pulls. That alone keeps me from buying modern Canon gear DSLR, mirrorless, or otherwise. If you are going to get a mirrorless system, and pay the sort of prices they demand, be sure to get one which has TWO memory card slots. Nikon's new Z system cameras only have one card slot. For that kind of money, I would also go with a Full Frame model, rather than a Crop Frame model. If I were buying mirrorless, at this time, I would probably go with the Sony A7 Riii, or Sony A9.
Canon has changed it's lens mount 7 times, which m... (show quote)


I guess you are one of those confused people who know nothing about Canon and your vitriol against and jealousy it is showing through
Canon used the R, FL, FD and FDn mount on it's manual focus SLRs since the 50's. ALL these were the exact same mount. I can mount lenses from all these versions on all Canon MF SLR's interchangeably with the exception of a couple of odd special built lenses.
Then in 1987-88 Canon destroyed the competition with the EF mount while Nikon et al stayed with the old primitive F mount with flappy levers whirling gears trying to do AF like it was the 1800's. instead of the electronic 21st century.
Now Canon has come out with the RF mount but again is 100% compatible with the EF/EF-S mount only difference is the EF/EF-s lenses work even better than they do on the EF mount cameras so that is a good thing.
By your definition of Canon "Mount Change" applied to Nikon, Nikon has changed mounts 11 times: Pre-AI, AI Converted, AI, AIS, AF, AFD, AF-S, AF-I, G, AF-P and now the Z Mount.
This is using your definition of mount change.
Also Remember that with the AF lenses they are not all compatible as far as AF and other functions with all AF type cameras so you have to worry each time you buy an AF Nikon as to what lens will work with it. Then the New Z mount left a lot of Nikon lenses in the operability junk pile that Canon did not by making ALL your old EF/EF-S lenses still 100% compatible and even enhanced.
I hope the OP understands this as it seems there are still many old bitter Nikon users spewing this bilge out mindlessly with no knowledge of anything.

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Dec 10, 2018 08:13:02   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I guess you are one of those confused people who know nothing about Canon and your vitriol against and jealousy it is showing through
Canon used the R, FL, FD and FDn mount on it's manual focus SLRs since the 50's. ALL these were the exact same mount. I can mount lenses from all these versions on all Canon MF SLR's interchangeably with the exception of a couple of odd special built lenses.
Then in 1987-88 Canon destroyed the competition with the EF mount while Nikon et al stayed with the old primitive F mount with flappy levers whirling gears trying to do AF like it was the 1800's. instead of the electronic 21st century.
Now Canon has come out with the RF mount but again is 100% compatible with the EF/EF-S mount only difference is the EF/EF-s lenses work even better than they do on the EF mount cameras so that is a good thing.
By your definition of Canon "Mount Change" applied to Nikon, Nikon has changed mounts 11 times: Pre-AI, AI Converted, AI, AIS, AF, AFD, AF-S, AF-I, G, AF-P and now the Z Mount.
This is using your definition of mount change.
Also Remember that with the AF lenses they are not all compatible as far as AF and other functions with all AF type cameras so you have to worry each time you buy an AF Nikon as to what lens will work with it. Then the New Z mount left a lot of Nikon lenses in the operability junk pile that Canon did not by making ALL your old EF/EF-S lenses still 100% compatible and even enhanced.
I hope the OP understands this as it seems there are still many old bitter Nikon users spewing this bilge out mindlessly with no knowledge of anything.
I guess you are one of those confused people who k... (show quote)

Pull this member's posting history and their sole purpose on UHH appears to be spewing this same nonsense ...

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Dec 10, 2018 08:16:28   #
khumiston
 
I think there are a lot of messages on this site about 42nd Street and the messages are "don't go there". I had a horrible experience with them myself and will not go to that site again.
Found the T7i with 18-55 for $649.00 and add on the 55-250 lens for $139.00 at 42nd Street Photo online.[/quote]

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