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Nov 25, 2018 10:30:03   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
JamesCurran wrote:
And let's not forget that it was American Nationalism that had us deny entry to many Jews trying to escape the N**is.


That had nothing to do with nationalism......FDR and the state department at the time were concerned about national security vis a vis Herman spies posing as Jews and yes, there absolutely were Herman spies who came to the U.S. during the war.

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Nov 25, 2018 10:38:15   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
The US entered the war because it was attacked. In fact it was isolationist prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Isolationism is diametrically opposed to nationalism.

Nationalism is the belief that one nation is superior to another and therefore has the right to subject other nations. Patriotism on the other hand is a belief that one adheres to a nation's principals or underlying beliefs.






jgunkler wrote:
I beg your pardon but let's not rewrite history. It was American nationalism (putting America first) that prevented is from saving the world until Pearl Harbor forced us to wake up and notice that the rest of the world was really in trouble.

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Nov 25, 2018 10:47:32   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Cotondog wrote:
Wow! I think you had better get your facts straight on that one. Seems to me that you have been watching too many American-made movies.


Maybe you should brush up on the”war effort “.

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Nov 25, 2018 12:10:43   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Of course you’re again being dishonest as absolutely NO ONE is shutting the door on immigration.


That is, of course, complete nonsense. We have strict quotas on immigration. Once they are hit, the door is slammed shut.


For the first 150 years of this country, we didn't have those. Anyone could come in, and everyone was documented.

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Nov 25, 2018 12:39:38   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
Texcaster wrote:
In these authoritarian nationalistic times lets not confuse the two isms.

"The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war." Sydney J Harris


Thank you.

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Nov 25, 2018 14:53:31   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
JamesCurran wrote:
That is, of course, complete nonsense. We have strict quotas on immigration. Once they are hit, the door is slammed shut.


For the first 150 years of this country, we didn't have those. Anyone could come in, and everyone was documented.


Can you post what those quotas are present day?

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Nov 25, 2018 16:49:28   #
cwp3420
 
thom w wrote:
Since you are already here, shutting the door on immigrants now seems rather pointless.


Why the personal attacks, genius?

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Nov 25, 2018 17:09:32   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
RichieC wrote:
It was the punitive measures and r********ns after WW1 that harmed the people of Germany that made them grasp at anything to climb out of their imposed hell. The world learned a lot by that mistake, and the former enemies are now allies after WW2.



Brexit is in no small part about Great Britain not liking decisions made by other EU nations that they must abide by- a big one was the refugee crisis and accepting huge amounts of refugees who do not wish to become part of their respective countries- but migrate their own into it. The EU has some looming problems in its future- I don't blame the people of Great Briton for wanting to avoid them. We'll probably have to join forces with you some day have to go back, and clean it all back out.

So I'm rooting for you and thus ourselves... see how it works?
It was the punitive measures and r********ns after... (show quote)


Brexit is a case in point - that when you allow the press to publish lies told by politicians WITHOUT the reporters checking the facts, you sway public opinion and no-one takes any notice of later 'corrections' that are made. A government inquiry showed that EVERY party knowingly distorted figures quoted in regard to For and Against Brexit.
For the v**e on Brexit we were told 'getting out' was easy - it isn't. We were told it would 'save us money' which any fool should know is untrue. The cost of removing EU stamps from virtually 'everything' and refinancing 'EU' grants and payments is going to cost us billions and make huge financial profits to bankers and financiers.

They didn't ask us to v**e to save The Bank of Scotland.....They simply cut Benefits off the poor and disabled...(Read the UN report that says just how badly 'poor' people are in our country.) That was a knock on effect of the US financial crash. So how are you treating your 'poor'.

The Government does 'what it wants' for the people that pay them.... business and financiers.

Brexit is a limited rewriting of our membership of the EU....a few 'headlines' in return for losing our 'v****g privileges and powers'. We will still have to abide by 9/10ths of what the EU decides now and in the future. We cannot deny geography...... We will have the same status as Iceland and Finland....both members without v**es.....unlike Switzerland that is NOT a member but a trading partner...(Wonder why that is?)

You are getting the same 'humanitarian' migration problem as Europe...It is 'populist' to scream about 'strengthening' borders to 'keep them out'. Unfortunately, International Law says you cannot. You have obligations just the same as the EU has..Poor people moving in depress wages never a bad thing for businesses.... Hardly affecting the middle classes...You just end up with more poor in the population. So which of your party's represent the poor....Oh those 'looney' left wing ones....

Nationalism is 'A rich man screwing you in the name of your country'.

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Nov 26, 2018 01:15:10   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Of course you’re again being dishonest as absolutely NO ONE is shutting the door on immigration. Of course, the true imbeciles continue to push an agenda of open borders.


The Trump administration is cutting the allowed numbers of legal immigrants in half. What does that have to do with people coming in illegally?

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Nov 26, 2018 01:17:12   #
cwp3420
 
thom w wrote:
The Trump administration is cutting the allowed numbers of legal immigrants in half. What does that have to do with people coming in illegally?


Because all the libs on here want them in the U.S. to v**e Demoncrat in e******ns. Surely a genius such as yourself could see that. Perhaps not, though.

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Nov 26, 2018 01:26:36   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
cwp3420 wrote:
Why the personal attacks, genius?


On Arch? You have to ask?

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Nov 26, 2018 01:28:57   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Of course you’re again being dishonest as absolutely NO ONE is shutting the door on immigration. Of course, the true imbeciles continue to push an agenda of open borders.


Can you really count the number of persons pushing for open borders on one hand, and not have fingers left over?

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Nov 26, 2018 01:32:51   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
cwp3420 wrote:
Because all the libs on here want them in the U.S. to v**e Demoncrat in e******ns. Surely a genius such as yourself could see that. Perhaps not, though.


So, the test to get into the country should be which party you are likely to v**e for, at some day in the future when you may be eligible to v**e? If that's how you see it, why do you lie about it just being about people coming in illegally?

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Nov 26, 2018 01:48:01   #
cwp3420
 
thom w wrote:
So, the test to get into the country should be which party you are likely to v**e for, at some day in the future when you may be eligible to v**e? If that's how you see it, why do you lie about it just being about people coming in illegally?


For someone who boasts as much as you do about knowing all about world politics, I have to tell you that you don’t have a fricken clue about these illegal invaders trying to enter our country. Many democrats, including Obama the S**thead, have called for letting them all in. Obama said the invasion shouldn’t even be on our radar, with only 7,000 poor people trying to make a better life for themselves, and that America could assimilate them easily across our country. However, in case you haven’t noticed, and my money is on you being clueless about damned near everything,the vast majority of common Americans on both sides of the aisle do not want these people in our country. Losers such as yourself who are so ate up with the dumb ass really want them in. Perhaps someday, when you finally graduate special ed class, you will see that it’s a bad precedent to set for a nation. Until then, Thom, enjoy your pathetic little life in la-la land.

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Nov 26, 2018 01:52:45   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
cwp3420 wrote:
For someone who boasts as much as you do about knowing all about world politics, I have to tell you that you don’t have a fricken clue about these illegal invaders trying to enter our country. Many democrats, including Obama the S**thead, have called for letting them all in. Obama said the invasion shouldn’t even be on our radar, with only 7,000 poor people trying to make a better life for themselves, and that America could assimilate them easily across our country. However, in case you haven’t noticed, and my money is on you being clueless about damned near everything,the vast majority of common Americans on both sides of the aisle do not want these people in our country. Losers such as yourself who are so ate up with the dumb ass really want them in. Perhaps someday, when you finally graduate special ed class, you will see that it’s a bad precedent to set for a nation. Until then, Thom, enjoy your pathetic little life in la-la land.
For someone who boasts as much as you do about kno... (show quote)


You are the one who was complaining about personal insults, aren't you? We have far fewer persons trying to come across the southern border than we have had at anytime in recent history, and it isn't because of Trump. There is no immigrant crises besides the one Trump has created.

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