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Nov 23, 2018 17:03:10   #
andesbill
 
I hear you. I left in 2007.
I found that I could get my students to hand in their toys if: 1) I told the students that they would lose it if I caught them using it
And (2) I insisted that the student him/herself put the toy in my drawer- I would never touch it and (3) the student would take it back at the end of the period
The kids felt that it was fair, so they did it, usually guiltily smiling because I caught them- again fairly. No argument- since they would get it back at the end of the period.
They knew that I would keep my word-they trusted me.
It was still a pain in the ass, and that was before the iphone came out that June.
Good luck to you.

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Nov 23, 2018 17:43:37   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
Unfortunately this trend is caused by a number of things. Political Correctness, Socialism, removing the pledge from schools, no accountability for disrespectable behavior, and lowering the test standards to accommodate people who are not qualified to flip burgers.
My wife was a teacher for 30 years, during her last 10 years of teaching, the curriculum was useless babble of socialism Created by a bunch of unqualified people who got their degree based on PC, and ethnicity. When my wife retired 11 other teachers in her school also left because of the level of incompetence coming out of the Board of Education. That same year about 20% of the teachers left.
Very sad to say the least.

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Nov 23, 2018 17:49:24   #
SueScott Loc: Hammondsville, Ohio
 
andesbill wrote:
That’s just the cowards way of peeling off the best leaving the rest to rot.


I need to respectfully disagree with that statement. Cowards do not decide to send their children to private schools or home educate - it takes dedication and sacrifice, in time, effort, and money. Those who send their children to private schools have to pay for tuition, uniforms, text books, and many other things - the state does not reimburse them. Homeschoolers also pay for their own curricula as well as devote time and energy to actually teach their children - almost always a stay at home mom does this, meaning that the family usually has only one income. The state doesn't cover any of these costs. In addition, families who opt out of the government system still pay school taxes for services they don't use. There are approximately 2 million children being homeschooled in this country. If they all returned to public schools the system couldn't handle it. At an average class size of 20 students, 100,000 new classrooms would be needed, as well as additional textbooks, teachers, and busses. How much does it cost to buy a bus and keep it on the road and how much fuel does just one use every year? Add in the children who attend private schools and even more strain would be placed on the public system.

No, parents who opt out of the government system are not "leaving the rest to rot". They are taking responsibility for the upbringing and education of their own children and both paying for and freeing up precious resources for those who choose to use the public schools.

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Nov 23, 2018 17:58:39   #
gerdog
 
I remember moving to a different state when I was a kid. The new school had to teach "new math" to the students, but I had already learned the basics at my former school. When the teacher saw how I was doing long division, she simply whispered in my ear, "Just keep doing it the way you are now." Must drive teachers crazy when changes are ordered from the top that they know just won't work for the kids. I saw an episode of Oprah Winfrey once where she was discussing education, and at one point she said, "What's wrong with learning proper English!" Her own loyal audience then proceeded to shout her down. That's what teachers are up against with parents who insist that everything must be made easy for their kids.

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Nov 23, 2018 17:59:08   #
Beemer
 
Folks, don't believe the veracity of this story on face value. While it makes an amusing meme, so much information these days is altered to fit a narrative. Starting with the fact that it obviously did not occur last week ...

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Nov 23, 2018 18:00:14   #
will47 Loc: Indianapolis, IN
 
Tex-s wrote:
As a public school educator of almost 30 years, I can assure you the trouble in American public school classrooms is multi-tiered, and almost all of the tiers of trouble can be traced back to the federal government and the left's insane demand for equality of outcome rather than quality of opportunity and quality of individual outcomes. As an example, I'll cite my own high school education and college experience with that of my daughter exactly 30 years later (1987 vs. 2017). I graduated in class of 250, my daughter in a class of 16. My class had about 30 students take an applied chemistry class and that class was RIGOROUS, meaning tons of complex math, manual computation of acid dissociation constants, manual computation of the heat lost to the calorimeter, and various other complex subject matter. Fewer still took the applied Physics class, and fewer still Biology II or Chem II or Phys II. Of those students who took the upper level stuff, about 90% attended 4 year universities and earned degrees in STEM fields (Math, Chemistry (my major), Physics, veterinary, law, pre-med, etc.) The others also graduated 4 year universities, but with degrees in music, seminary, literature, or performing arts. There were NONE who floundered at college or dropped out.

Fast forward 30 years, and public school (we do all we can to add content) have almost NO ability to differentiate courses and course selection for students. For my daughter's class that meant all 16 took chemistry, physics, algebra II, geometry, and either Biology II or Pre-calculus, and all of them had to pass all of those to earn the 'advanced' diploma and keep the school system rated highly. On paper, having more kids taking those classes is a liberal bonanza. (More kids of all types taking 'upper level' classes!!!) The problem is this, though. The curriculum is so watered down to assure a high passing rate (no child left behind) that those who go to University for STEM majors almost always drop out, change majors, or have to retake courses because of their inadequate high school preparation. My own daughter, child of a Chemistry major, and a highly able student opted out of a STEM major in college after a bad encounter with mismanaged dyslexia accommodations and a really challenging Chemistry course. To her, the struggle was far in excess of the potential payoff down the road.

So we have a system that nominally prepares all students to attend a community collage and nothing more. Public schooling is effectively 'pre-comotology' or ''pre-laborer'. Add to that the incessant attacks against smaller systems through theft of tax revenue and funding formulas that encourage consolidation, and you have a system moving ever more towards a system of indoctrination instead of education. If I were in Congress, I would introduce legislation to rename the Dept. of Education to the the Department of Indoctrination, just for the publicity it would garner. The move to private schools in my state has far more to do with maintaining autonomy over curriculum, educating students of faith, teaching actual history and offering ACTUAL preparation for rigorous college coursework. It has very little to do with class, cash, or race.

And these are just the systemic problems. As others have noted, in an attempt to be more 'diverse' history books now spend inordinate amounts of time and space on persons of ethnic specificity that achieved virtually ANY degree of notoriety at the expense of teaching, oh say, about Andew Jackson and the 'war' to not create a federal bank. Or maybe, it's the Griswold v Connecticut case, the original fabrication of the mythical 'penumbra' that gets omitted. Or maybe it's just the actual text of the Constitution that is deemed optional. I mean, just why would a good little drone need to worry about the Constitution when nanny state government is all set to make all your 'decisions' for you.....

Deep breath.
As a public school educator of almost 30 years, I ... (show quote)


You speak the truth. So what that means to you is that liberal democrats will not listen.

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Nov 23, 2018 18:07:03   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
StanMac wrote:
I wonder how much time any of the posters here who are denigrating today’s public school educators have spent in a classroom observing what actually goes on. Most of the crap about how bad public schools are is just that, crap, and is being propagated by the politically well connected and well heeled charter/private school lobby who want to funnel our school tax dollars into private hands for profit. Public schools are non-profit. Charter and private schools are for profit enterprises where education is a commodity and the cost of providing it should be minimized to maximize profits. Guess who suffers from this business model - it’s certainly not the owners/shareholders in the charter/private schools.

Stan
I wonder how much time any of the posters here who... (show quote)

Go to any inner city school, and see how disrespectful, and unruly the kids are. The parents are no better, and the majority of the teachers are incompetent, and don’t give a damn.
My wife taught in Newark NJ. She can tell you some real horror stories.

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Nov 23, 2018 18:25:53   #
2Dragons Loc: The Back of Beyond
 
Cookie223 wrote:
Go to any inner city school, and see how disrespectful, and unruly the kids are. The parents are no better, and the majority of the teachers are incompetent, and don’t give a damn.
My wife taught in Newark NJ. She can tell you some real horror stories.


It really all seems to go back on the parents. If they do not demand that their children show respect for their teachers and take a deep interest in what the schools are teaching their children, the education system will continue to spiral down until our classrooms aren't much better than pre one room school houses. Our parents backed our teachers 100%. There were no verbal attacks on teachers because little Johnny didn't get a passing grade when he felt he should have based on the fact that he graced the classroom with his presence every day, but did no homework and flunked all his tests. And Lord help you if you got a detention because when you got home, you had to deal with Mum and Dad and that was enough to keep you on the straight and narrow. Parents today think that all they have to do is pop out a baby and the powers-that-be are going to take care of the rest.

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Nov 23, 2018 19:15:30   #
andesbill
 
By sending your kids to a private school you are abandoning the great experiment which is at the heart of this great nation. And yes, while you safeguard the future of your children, you are leaving the majority of our citizens to rot in conditions which you admit aren’t fit for your children.
This is a path for a national disaster which can only lead to the demise of our republic.
Listen to the Glen Frey song “I’ve Got Mine”.
If it isn’t cowardice to walk away from a situation that needs repair desperately, for the benefit of our nation what is it?
You talk about the money it costs you to do this, like it makes a difference. This is what Trump did to avoid serving his country during the Vietnam war, while at the same time disparaging heroes like John McCain.
The problem is further exacerbated because now that your education costs are so high you will probably vote against raising public school funds, using one of the many excuses that others in your situation have chosen to do.
You are part of the problem not the solution.

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Nov 23, 2018 19:49:08   #
foxfirerodandgun Loc: Stony Creek, VA
 
Huey Driver wrote:
No wonder kids can't learn

Young people cannot learn from history anymore because history is no longer taught as a required subject in public high schools.


Theodore " Dutch " J. Van Kirk was the navigator on the "Enola Gay" when it dropped the bomb at Hiroshima , Japan, and is the last surviving member of the crew. This really happened.


Dutch was asked to speak at a grammar school this past week. The young teacher introduced him by saying the speaker was a veteran of World War Eleven (as in WW II). Dutch stood up and walked out of the school without saying a word. End of story.


god help us
No wonder kids can't learn br br Young people can... (show quote)


One of the highlights of my history loving life occurred several years ago. Before he passed away, I had the opportunity to shake hands with, and talk with, Paul Tibits, the pilot of the Enola Gay. I also have an original autographed 8”X10” B&W photograph of Army Air Force radar specialist Lieutenant Jacob Beser standing at the nose of the Enola Gay. Lt. Beser was the only man who served on both the Enola Gay in the Hiroshima bombing mission and on the Bock's Car three days later when its crew bombed Nagasaki.

The other moment was when I happened to have an opportunity to sit down and talk at length with Carlos Hathcock aka "White Feather". I seriously doubt that any average school age child today would have any idea who he was, what he did to serve this country, and how low down dirty the government he loved & served treated him in the end.

The "War of Northern Aggression" (Civil War) will soon be forgotten by most of today's school aged children. Liberalism is literally killing this countries heritage. Sad but true. How this country has gone downhill for the last few decades.

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Nov 23, 2018 20:19:46   #
andesbill
 
There was no war of “Northern Aggression”. South Carolina treasonously fired on Americans at Fort Sumter. The southerners couldn’t live without using slaves to pick their crops and rape them at will (at will does not mean all the time, just when they wanted to).
There was nothing honorable in southerners fighting to maintain slavery in their states, while insisting that new states allow slavery even when they didn’t want it.
There is, and never was any defense of slavery. The Civil War was all about slavery, not about constitutional rights, not about states rights. It was about the right of all men (and women) to be free.

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Nov 23, 2018 21:12:08   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
2Dragons wrote:
It really all seems to go back on the parents. .


Regretfully those days are long gone. It's a vicious circle where in many cases the parents are just as bad, or even worse than the kids. Even in affluent areas parents aren't holding the kids accountable for bad behavior, and then blame the teacher.

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Nov 23, 2018 21:18:29   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
andesbill wrote:
There was no war of “Northern Aggression”. South Carolina treasonously fired on Americans at Fort Sumter. The southerners couldn’t live without using slaves to pick their crops and rape them at will (at will does not mean all the time, just when they wanted to).
There was nothing honorable in southerners fighting to maintain slavery in their states, while insisting that new states allow slavery even when they didn’t want it.
There is, and never was any defense of slavery. The Civil War was all about slavery, not about constitutional rights, not about states rights. It was about the right of all men (and women) to be free.
There was no war of “Northern Aggression”. South C... (show quote)



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Nov 23, 2018 21:42:24   #
gerdog
 
andesbill wrote:
There was no war of “Northern Aggression”. South Carolina treasonously fired on Americans at Fort Sumter. The southerners couldn’t live without using slaves to pick their crops and rape them at will (at will does not mean all the time, just when they wanted to).
There was nothing honorable in southerners fighting to maintain slavery in their states, while insisting that new states allow slavery even when they didn’t want it.
There is, and never was any defense of slavery. The Civil War was all about slavery, not about constitutional rights, not about states rights. It was about the right of all men (and women) to be free.
There was no war of “Northern Aggression”. South C... (show quote)

Yes indeed. This thread started with teaching history. Too many people have tried to rewrite the history of our Civil War. It was all about slavery, one of the most evil practices devised by humans. England abolished it before we did. It shouldn't have taken a war to resolve the issue. One would think that people trying to escape from tyranny would recognize it in themselves. Greed blinds us to the truth.

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Nov 24, 2018 02:53:28   #
Diocletian
 
will47 wrote:
It may not have happened last week but probably true. I bet that teacher COULD recite the socialist democrats' ideology or her union contract terms correctly though.


sigh
not everything is us vs them

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