mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

How high are your ISO settings? I can get very usable shots at ISO 6400 with my 7D2 and any residual noise an be easily cleaned up in post if you are shooting raw.

brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY

I think that's pushing it a bit. I have the same rig and with indoor hockey noise is a very big problem.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

If I were a professional photographer I'd be shooting with a 1DXII, but I'm not so I use a 5DIV. It may not be built like a tank and it doesn't have 14 fps, but it's AF is just as good, it's got better resolution and it cost quite a bit less.
The 1DXII is an amazing camera, a best in class for what it is made to do, but for someone who doesn't need the tough construction and the extended ISO and the sheer brilliance of the 1DXII, the 5DIV is an excellent alternative.

zzzynick Loc: Colorado

After owning a 1D body, I was at a store that had the latest greatest camearas known to mankind [ no 1d's ] they felt like toys.
Too Heavey? Hit the gym, or take up something less strenious, like knitting.
I do not do video, it has absolutely no appeal to me.
So I will not pay extra for a 4k bells and whistles camera.
But I do own 3 1D bodies. The original 1DS, I paid 220 from ebay, a 1Ds Mark III I found on craigs list for 600 and a 1D Mark III from ebay that had less than 10,000 shutter count for 500.
New, around 18,000 dollars for the 3, I paid 1,330.
All 3 work fine and I will put any image up from them against any other camera. Side by side you can't tell the differance.
They will last me until the 1Dx's is around 1,000, then I will upgrade.
Used doesn't bother me, it just gives me more money to buy used L lenses.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

If I recall the MkII has 3 digic processors and over twice the sites used for metering. So, I don't think the focus system is the same, but similar to the 5D4. One thing I considered was a 7D2 and a 5D4 which cost about the same as the MkII if you put battery grips on them. I just thought the 7D2 was getting a little aged and I rather just shoot with one body most of the time. But that's me...YMMV.

raymondh Loc: Walker, MI

Thank you - this is kinda of what I was hoping to hear.

raymondh Loc: Walker, MI

I tend to agree. Thanks for the input!

raymondh Loc: Walker, MI

Thanks for your observation. I'm likely bound for glory.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Ray, this was shot with a 1Dx mkl at night. I used on speedlight setr up remotely. I don't shot action indoors.
This is far from perfect and has its share of noise but it was still dark enough I needed to shoot at ISO 25K!
No fancy processing. I did it in 3 minutes using Canon's std DPP. All exif is intact.
Only you know if it's satisfactory for your needs. This was published in a cycling magazine, it was good enough for them!!!
I assume the mkll is better still with newer processors.
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rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

Yes, new, around $18,000. But, as you said, you bought used, and older used at that. My EOS 10D was close to 2 grand new back in the spring of 2003. You can buy a good one now for under $100. What did a 1D cost back in 2002? Somewhere in the neighborhood of $5000, $6000!? What's one worth today? Somewhat less then $150.
They were all extremely well built cameras, built to take serious abuse and not miss a shot. But if you truly believe a 10 megapixel APS-H camera with a digic 3 processor and ISO 3200 ceiling is capable of better image quality than a 5DIV, you're the one who should take up knitting. Now don't get me wrong. I'd love to have a 1DXII but it all boils down to need and application. The 1DXII is one heck of a fantastic camera. Strong, fast, can focus fast under most any condition and the 14 fps sounds simply amazing. But is it the camera I'd want to use to shoot a large flower show?! Heck no! It's way too heavy and it doesn't have the resolution. Have you ever shot a large flower show? Even my 5DIV with a EF 24-105L II and a 270EX II flash starts to get heavy after a couple of hours.
I have money in my 1DXII fund but now I'm more interested in seeing what Canon's next move will be in the MILC game.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

The 1DXII has dual digic 6+ processors. The 5DIV has one digic 6+ processor. Part of the reason the 1D is twice as fast as the 5D.
The metering system is an upgraded variant of that used in the 5DSr and the one used in the 5DIV is the same as that used in the 5DSr.
You are correct about the metering system, the 1D's uses twice the 150,000 pixels the aforementioned 5D's use. The 1D is 20 megapixel and the 5D is 30 megapixel.
Where do you buy your battery grips? They are over charging you!

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

My pricing was based on Canon grips and Canon spare / extra batteries. The 5D4 was just being released back then too. Buy most of my gear through B&H, so based on their prices. A camera without a grip just feels small and odd to me...so I would add grips.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

I do all my shooting with two cameras. Both were bought used to save money. I personally would not buy the latest and greatest at full retail. I would buy used or wait for a refurb. A refurb can take as long as a year after release.
For the 1Dx mkl I paid $1750 last year. For the 5Ds I paid $2700 the year after it came out. Both obviously used.
That combo is hard to beat. When I need definition, it’s hard to beat 50mp. When I need speed and accuracy, no one beats a 1Dx. I shoot sports with both.
Some people have to buy new, I get that. Others just need a tool!!!
SS

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

I bought both my 5DSr and my 5DIV new. At the time, I could afford to. But, I don't have a problem with good used gear or refurbs. Now that I'm retired I manage money different and I have savings set aside for camera gear. Heck, with all the spare time I have now, maybe I'll seek out a few paid photo jobs. I certainly have the gear and the skills to use it and I'm not really that old, I still ride a big motorcycle, so what the heck, a part time career doing something I enjoy.
As for a 1DX, I really want one but I just can't justify the expense. I want one, I don't need one, but then I didn't need most of the cameras I have. I could go pre 1DX but the drop in resolution just isn't worth it, to me.
Of course I could get an older one to put in my collection. They all get used from time to time just to keep them operable.
I should be out with a camera or two enjoying this good weather but I've got a nasty headache at the moment and I need to get to Home Depot and pick up materials to finish winterizing my hot tub room / motorcycle garage. I need to insulate and seal up the air leaks so I can maintain a reasonable temperature. When it gets really cold it costs a lot to keep the hot tub hot, even with the lid on.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

I have battery grips for all my DSLR'S. I generally only use them when I need the extra power, or want to look even cooler. With lens and grip, new, the 5DIV is still around $1300 or so cheaper than a 1DXII body.