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Nov 4, 2018 16:39:55   #
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sergio wrote:
I do all kinds of photography but I mostly enjoy doing birds for which I am using a Canon 7D II with a Tamron 150-600 and frequently a 1.4X extender. It seems to me that a mirrorless camera would offer a small decrease of the weight (as the weight is mainly in the lens and not in the body), a limited choice of lenses and no gain in picture quality. Therefore I am inclined to purchase (when available) a Canon 7D III and not a mirrorles.
Please advise!


Something tells me that nothing else will keep you happy. Go with gut !

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Nov 4, 2018 17:31:01   #
HT
 
I use Nikon gear, but I recently went through the same evaluation. The mirrorless “revolution” is oversold, there is more to camera selection than high FPS rates and cool EVF’s. I remain happy, delighted in fact, with my choice to stay with the trusty, tried and true DSLR.

That may change with time, but it’s still a few years off yet.

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Nov 4, 2018 18:20:56   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
HT wrote:
The mirrorless “revolution” is oversold, there is more to camera selection than high FPS rates and cool EVF’s.


Exactly. Mirrorless offers so much more than just evfs or high FPS rate. If that is all you could come up with from looking into mirrorless, you did a very poor job.

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Nov 4, 2018 19:07:35   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Stands to reason.
tdekany wrote:
Unless you are living under a rock, how can you make such a statement?

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Nov 4, 2018 20:08:05   #
HT
 
tdekany wrote:
Exactly. Mirrorless offers so much more than just evfs or high FPS rate. If that is all you could come up with from looking into mirrorless, you did a very poor job.


No, I took much, much more into my selection that I don’t bother putting into a public forum because it would be a tedious read. Rather like the whole prothletisation of mirrorless. Mirrorless is not everyone’s choice. Got it?

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Nov 4, 2018 20:36:38   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
HT wrote:
No, I took much, much more into my selection that I don’t bother putting into a public forum because it would be a tedious read. Rather like the whole prothletisation of mirrorless. Mirrorless is not everyone’s choice. Got it?


No one is saying that mirrorless is for everyone. Simply correcting your bias post. Got it?

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Nov 4, 2018 21:32:00   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
tdekany wrote:
Exactly. Mirrorless offers so much more than just evfs or high FPS rate. If that is all you could come up with from looking into mirrorless, you did a very poor job.


Without being argumentative, what other advantages besides silent operation and the disadvantage of short battery life am I missing? I just cannot find them with the current offerings, but I’m always ready to reevaluate my position.

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Nov 4, 2018 22:30:34   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ken Rockwell has plenty to say about the mirrorless camera innovation: https://kenrockwell.com/tech/mirrorless-vs-dslr.htm

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Nov 4, 2018 23:11:35   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Wasn't the old Leica mirrorless?


All of the rangefinder types were mirrorless. The difference is that with them you were not looking through the lens as with the new mirrorless bodies which are SLRs with an electronic view through the lens instead of a mirrored view.

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Nov 4, 2018 23:49:02   #
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robertjerl wrote:

........ as with the new mirrorless bodies which are SLRs .......


Reeeeally ? Then just what IS an SLR anywho ?
Isn't "SLR" and acronym ? Is it just a made up
word ? IIRC it actually means something ....

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Nov 4, 2018 23:56:09   #
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TriX wrote:

Without being argumentative, what other advantages besides silent
operation and the disadvantage of short battery life am I missing? I
just cannot find them with the current offerings, but I’m always
ready to reevaluate my position.


Well .... for one thing, it has all those major advantages that
168 Hogs has already mention so many times in 1854 posts,
but ATM I'm waaaaaay too lazy to type them out here ......

OTOH I'm NOT so lazy that I won't type out the disadvantage:
Live view is verrrrry power hungry. As batteries are incredibly
heavy and cost as much as a used car, this is a huge problem
and is reason why SLRs will still rule the earth long after the
sun explodes !

There is one other disadvantage, sometimes anyway. In less
than really safe conditions, one must be more careful, more
"dirt aware", when interchanging lenses. This is also true of
SLRs but it's worse with live view cameras.

OOooopzzes .... guess thaz a bit beyond a "for one thing" ;-)
Is OK. Accuracy has little value around here anywho. No use
crying over spilt pixels.


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Nov 5, 2018 02:14:32   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
User ID wrote:
Reeeeally ? Then just what IS an SLR anywho ?
Isn't "SLR" and acronym ? Is it just a made up
word ? IIRC it actually means something ....

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Single Lens Reflex You look through the same lens that takes the picture.

Digital Single Lens Reflex is just one with a digital sensor instead of film.

The mirror in both types diverts the view through the prisms in the top housing and you look at it through the viewfinder. The mirror moves out of the way and the shutter opens to let the light reach the film or sensor - that is of course where the noise etc comes from and you experience a "blackout" in the viewfinder each time it happens.

Mirrorless uses the sensor to send a view to a screen where you see it in the viewfinder or on the back screen. Yes all those little P & S shots are "mirrorless". No mirror to flop up and down and make noise and "blackout" your view for a fraction of a second for each shot taken. The image and your view are through the same lens just like all other SLR and DSLR cameras. Just no mirror, no mirror shake, no "blackout" and only the very tiny noise of the shutter (well some types of shutter are nearly as noisy as some of the very quite mirrors). So maybe they should be called Mirrorless Digital Single Lens Reflex - MDSLR. Ehhhhhhhhhhhh, no the PR/Sales guys like the shorter "mirrorless" better.

Add on trivia = Twin Lens Reflex you have two identical lenses, one you look through via a mirror that projects the image on a ground glass screen. The other lens projects the image onto the film when the shutter is opened, but no moving mirror, so no noise and no "blackout". (film-I have never heard of a TLR with digital sensor but who knows, someone may have built at least a prototype somewhere, sometime).

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Nov 5, 2018 05:28:20   #
BebuLamar
 
If there is no mirror then where the Reflex part comes from?

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Nov 5, 2018 05:52:14   #
Grnway Loc: Manchester, NH
 
I'm not sure that you can improve much on your current setup. Isn't the 7D II built for speed?

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Nov 5, 2018 05:57:18   #
cochese
 
Oly lenses are all smaller and lighter than the others. If you are going to apsc or full frame mirrorless then yes your kit will not shrink in size, but m43 is smaller and lighter and making big strides in the autofocus arena. For someone like me who doesn't look at each pixel in an image to be sure it is sharp and shoot mostly daylight and am not beyond using flash, seems about perfect. Back in the day we used to load film and that was the speed we shot, if it was 400 then we made it work. Get over all the instant iso change and learn to use the tools you have.

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