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Nov 2, 2018 05:43:37   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
I think that Tony Northrup is one of the smartest people and one of the most astute observers in the business. But these are predictions, and we have to take them as that. It is just an informed opinion--although he is better informed than most. As with all predictions, they may come true, or not. We still listen to Wall Street gurus about their predictions. And somehow we accept that they are not always right because who can predict the stock market?

We all can see that the low-end consumer camera is already dead. But the compact cameras with one-inch sensors or with great telephoto lenses may have a future.

I think that Tony's point is also that the Micro 4/3 format may be in trouble because the companies making them may be in trouble. With the camera market shrinking we may see some companies dropping out. I think that Canon, Nikon and Sony are here to stay, and probably Panasonic. And the others? The fact that most of them are trying to get into the mirrorless full-frame market is an indication that they themselves do not believe that they can make it in the 4/3 market.

PS: I think that it also has become evident that the days of the DSLR are numbered. We no longer need smart gurus to tell us that. With that knowledge, it would be unethical to recommend that people still invest in DSLR systems. The only reason why it still makes sense to buy new DSLR cameras is if you own lenses built for that system.

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Nov 2, 2018 08:06:43   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
jburlinson wrote:
In a recent video, youtube guru Tony Northrup has pretty much categorically declared the MFT format all but dead. He gives it about 2 years on life support and then --- kaput. Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjXSnNMZ0PU

Plus, he definitively states that compact cameras are also obsolete, victims of the smartphone.

In the comments section attached to the video, Tony also stated that he and wife Chelsea will no longer be recommending that people buy DSLR's, now that the Sony A7Riii has, in his opinion, trumped the Nikon D850.

So, soon (within the next couple of years) the camera buyer will have basically two choices: smartphone or mirrorless full frame, with maybe a little niche for mirrorless APS-C.

What do you think?
In a recent video, youtube guru Tony Northrup has ... (show quote)

How exciting! in 2 years I will be able to buy the D850 I dream about for practically nothing! I mean, if it's on the internet, especially from Northrup, it must be true!

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Nov 2, 2018 08:17:48   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
rmalarz wrote:
Tony Northrup a guru?

If Tony Northrup told me what time it was, I'd pray I had a watch so I could check for myself.
--Bob



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Nov 2, 2018 08:31:39   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Nikon still makes the f6 film camera which is more expensive than some DSLR's https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-35mm-Film-Camera-Body/dp/B0006GQ6K6

Navywife66 wrote:
Imagine if everyone who saw that video believed him.. everyone ran out and sold or traded their equipment. I think that technology and equipment will change as it did over to digital from film. But 2 years? I think that our newest generation of kids will be the deciding factor of mirror or no mirror. The first digital camera patented was in 1978. The first mirrorless was in 2004. 2006 Nikon announced the end of production of film cameras..when will they announce the end of Dslr’s? With Canon, repairs on film cameras can be done up to October 31,2025. However after October 31,2020 repairs may be refused if they don’t have the parts no longer in stock. I guess the same “can” be upcoming for the Dslr but I will take my chances and stay with them.
Imagine if everyone who saw that video believed hi... (show quote)

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Nov 2, 2018 08:36:59   #
OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.
 
What I have does more than what I want. I will use it all until they fall apart, or when I past, then my grand-kids can decide what to do with it.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:24:37   #
dbjazz Loc: Long Island, NY
 
If you believe Northrup, I have a bridge you might want to buy.

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Nov 2, 2018 09:27:52   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JD750 wrote:
I use mine.

What do you have? Anything good you want to sell cheap?


Nikon FTn, 24mm f/2.8, 35mm f/2, 55mm f/3.5,

Nikon F3HP with pin registration back and precision viewfinder reticle, 55mm f/2.8

Bronica ETRSi and backs, two lenses (75 and 150?)

Minolta SRT200 and two lenses (50 and 135?)

Canon A1 and two lenses (28 and 50?)

Lots of filters, mostly 52mm

I’m not really interested in selling... yet. I have a family member who may want to go through it and pick.

I haven’t used the Bronica or Canon since 1998. The Minolta probably hasn’t been used since 1985. The F3HP is a special application camera made for composing multiple image slides on a copy rig. Its lens is frozen (won’t focus), and it hasn’t been used since 1996.

The FTn hasn’t been used since 2004.

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Nov 2, 2018 11:49:24   #
BebuLamar
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Navywife66 said that. She said if Tony is right then everyone with the M4/3 would sell all their equipment.


Sorry I didn't rephrase Navywife66 correctly. Navywife66 said "Imagine if everyone who saw that video believed him.. everyone ran out and sold or traded their equipment.". I wonder why would the ran out and sold or traded their equipment?

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Nov 2, 2018 11:50:52   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
Nikon FTn, 24mm f/2.8, 35mm f/2, 55mm f/3.5,

Nikon F3HP with pin registration back and precision viewfinder reticle, 55mm f/2.8

Bronica ETRSi and backs, two lenses (75 and 150?)

Minolta SRT200 and two lenses (50 and 135?)

Canon A1 and two lenses (28 and 50?)

Lots of filters, mostly 52mm

I’m not really interested in selling... yet. I have a family member who may want to go through it and pick.

I haven’t used the Bronica or Canon since 1998. The Minolta probably hasn’t been used since 1985. The F3HP is a special application camera made for composing multiple image slides on a copy rig. Its lens is frozen (won’t focus), and it hasn’t been used since 1996.

The FTn hasn’t been used since 2004.
Nikon FTn, 24mm f/2.8, 35mm f/2, 55mm f/3.5, br ... (show quote)


How much you want for the A1 cheap? I paid $17 for mine and the 50mm f/1.8.

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Nov 2, 2018 11:54:01   #
Navywife66 Loc: NC
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
My sincerest apologies, I actually responded to the wrong response. I totally understand those are not your words and as a fairly long time viewer on the Northrup's videos, I've heard Tony say some pretty ludicrous things. The only reason I still watch them, when I get a chance, is because they are entertaining.


No worries I just was quoted before as saying something I never said. It’s surprising to me that this happened to be honest. Having your words twisted and written by another is wrong but it is what it is. I have never seen him before to be honest and watched the whole video though. I really don’t believe that it will be a couple of years that the Dslr will be done with.. I believe it will take a much longer time span than that and even then because of all the lenses that will needs adapters? Ehh..it remains to be seen..thanks for your message. Have a wonderful weekend!

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Nov 2, 2018 12:45:12   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
How much you want for the A1 cheap? I paid $17 for mine and the 50mm f/1.8.


I'll keep it. Its presence in my camera display case is worth $100, even if the camera isn't.

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Nov 2, 2018 12:58:11   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Navywife66 wrote:
No worries I just was quoted before as saying something I never said. It’s surprising to me that this happened to be honest. Having your words twisted and written by another is wrong but it is what it is. I have never seen him before to be honest and watched the whole video though. I really don’t believe that it will be a couple of years that the Dslr will be done with.. I believe it will take a much longer time span than that and even then because of all the lenses that will needs adapters? Ehh..it remains to be seen..thanks for your message. Have a wonderful weekend!
No worries I just was quoted before as saying some... (show quote)


I agree with you. I've watched Tony for years, now. Most of the time, he and Chelsea make a lot of sense, and they do a good job teaching. I have a copy of *Stunning Digital Photography* on my computer.

But every now and then, Tony goes off on a tangent tirade, and you wonder what he's put in his Ovaltine.

In 2012, a photo educator, Chicago commercial photographer, consultant to the military, and frequent speaker at photography industry conventions, Will Crockett, thought that mirrorless cameras would kill dSLRs in two years. It didn't happen. Canon and Nikon were not on board. The hardware wasn't there yet. And there are simply too many people using dSLRs for it to happen that quickly. They have too much money tied up in gear, and too much fear of the unknown.

I do think a shift will happen, but predicting when, how fast, and who will be the survivors is silly. Ricoh is still around, making Pentax, for goodness' sake. Sony bought Konica Minolta and partnered with Zeiss. Panasonic has Lumix, partnered with Leica. And on it goes...

I switched from both full frame and APS-C dSLRs to Panasonic Lumix Micro 4/3. I have to believe that a LOT of people are using both Lumix and Olympus Micro 4/3 gear for the same reasons I am. Sometimes a camera system switch is about what it does, very differently, and not about what you give up to get that.

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Nov 2, 2018 13:21:57   #
PH CIB
 
I watched Tony's Video,,,he made the comment 4/3rds uses Contrast Detect Autofocus which is not as fast as Phase Detect for Sports and Wildlife seeming to forget about Olympus which uses both Phase and Contrast for Autofocus and while my Nikon 1 V2 and lenses are discontinued,,,it seems the one inch sensor in the Sony Cameras are selling well,,,,I do think Mirrorless will eventually make up the bulk of camera sales but that will probably take ten years or more as Camera Companies never give us a Camera with everything they give it to us in bits and pieces so they can sell cameras each year and as R&D progresses there will be more and more useful innovations in mirror less in the next ten years...besides I see many Beautiful Photos on this Forum by Nikon and Canon users so why switch to Mirrorless if a DSLR is producing such great pictures....

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Nov 2, 2018 14:29:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
PH CIB wrote:
I watched Tony's Video,,,he made the comment 4/3rds uses Contrast Detect Autofocus which is not as fast as Phase Detect for Sports and Wildlife seeming to forget about Olympus which uses both Phase and Contrast for Autofocus and while my Nikon 1 V2 and lenses are discontinued,,,it seems the one inch sensor in the Sony Cameras are selling well,,,,I do think Mirrorless will eventually make up the bulk of camera sales but that will probably take ten years or more as Camera Companies never give us a Camera with everything they give it to us in bits and pieces so they can sell cameras each year and as R&D progresses there will be more and more useful innovations in mirror less in the next ten years...besides I see many Beautiful Photos on this Forum by Nikon and Canon users so why switch to Mirrorless if a DSLR is producing such great pictures....
I watched Tony's Video,,,he made the comment 4/3rd... (show quote)


There are many great reasons to switch to Micro 4/3 mirrorless. Few of them have to do with sports and wildlife action, unless you record video. Still, there is the 100-400mm Leica zoom that has the effective reach of a 200-800mm f/4-f/6.3 on full frame!

For video, it's hard to beat the Lumix GH5 and GH5s for less than $3500, no matter what the form factor. Few dSLRs appeal to filmmakers more than a GH5/GH5s.

Everyone wants all the benefits of both Phase Detect (speed) and Contrast Detect AF (accuracy), and we want them in every focus mode on the camera. That just won't happen with any camera right now. Some are better than others, at some things. You have to decide what's important for what you photograph, and choose accordingly. Just as important as having the right technology is using its features appropriately.

Image "quality" is usually assumed to be some combination of resolution, size, color depth, noiselessness, sharpness, focus accuracy, desirable depth of field, i.e.; optical performance. But there is FAR MORE to owning and using a camera system than just that.

Most of the time, our images will wind up being viewed on screens. Very few prints are made in 2018, compared to 1998. We email, text, and share our images via a multitude of sharing platforms. Few of us want prints of family and family events, with the possible exception being the wedding album. For screen viewing, even a smartphone will make decent images, especially the latest ones with all their processing intelligence. For more advanced uses, there are several classes of pocket cameras and superzoom travel cameras. Then there are Micro 4/3, APS-C, and full frame interchangeable lens cameras.

Which to choose? There are no perfect cameras! There are only cameras that serve your needs, right now. Maybe you need and use several different ones, one at a time. Choice depends on hundreds of factors.

Lumix Micro 4/3 (a GH4 and three lenses) appealed to me for several reasons:

> I could replace a Canon EOS 50D still camera system and a Canon GL2 video camera system in two big Pelican cases with one Lumix system in a much smaller, lighter bag that fits under an airline seat. I pay fewer excess baggage charges, and worry less about equipment security — and going through security.

> Because of the age of my old gear, I could drastically improve video quality for the work I do (replacing 480P with Full HD and 4K for training content production).

> I have better audio quality and audio control for video than I had with the older Canon GL2.

> I have improved still image quality over APS-C (although in the context of what I do, that simply does not matter... it was already good enough for PDF, booklet, and eLearning media).

> I can often record 4K video and extract still images from it that are suitable for my uses, negating the need to make stills and video of the same content for use in different media.

> The gear works the same way for stills and video, because it is the same gear!

> JPEG images and video look the same, so I can insert stills into video content without a major visual difference.

> The combination of EVF and absolutely silent electronic shutter make surreptitious photography a reality. I can photograph a stage play without anyone knowing I'm doing so.

I could go on and on and on about the advantages of Micro 4/3 I never had with dSLRs or film. Mirrorless works well for me. It might not work for someone else. Use what you need. The camera market IS NOT a zero-sum game.

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Nov 2, 2018 14:42:44   #
Vince68 Loc: Wappingers Falls, NY
 
jburlinson wrote:
In a recent video, youtube guru Tony Northrup has pretty much categorically declared the MFT format all but dead. He gives it about 2 years on life support and then --- kaput. Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjXSnNMZ0PU

Plus, he definitively states that compact cameras are also obsolete, victims of the smartphone.

In the comments section attached to the video, Tony also stated that he and wife Chelsea will no longer be recommending that people buy DSLR's, now that the Sony A7Riii has, in his opinion, trumped the Nikon D850.

So, soon (within the next couple of years) the camera buyer will have basically two choices: smartphone or mirrorless full frame, with maybe a little niche for mirrorless APS-C.

What do you think?
In a recent video, youtube guru Tony Northrup has ... (show quote)


Thats just his opinion, which by the way, are just like a**holes, everybody has one. I don't consider him a guru by any means, and personally, I don't pay to much attention to anything he says.

Just my 2¢ on Tony Northrup and his prophecies.

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