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Oct 23, 2018 06:48:59   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Yes you can use both. Its not either/or unless you configure it that way.

So with this camera there are three options for focus?

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Oct 23, 2018 07:48:27   #
ToBoldlyGo Loc: London U.K.
 
Longshadow wrote:
So with this camera there are three options for focus?


You will need to deactivate the AF on half pressing the shutter button. I think some of the responses here could be clearer. Otherwise there is no point having the back button activate focus.

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Oct 23, 2018 07:53:26   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
You will need to deactivate the AF on half pressing the shutter button. I think some of the responses here could be clearer. Otherwise there is no point having the back button activate focus.


Thought so.

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Oct 23, 2018 08:35:13   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Cookie223 wrote:
1. I have a Canon MK 7D II, and I've been reading a lot about the benefits of using back button focus. Isn't the AF-ON button in the back of my camera the same thing?

2. I recently took some pictures of a softball game. It was an overcast sky and the first few shots were taken using ISO settings between 100 & 200, those pictures were washed out to the point that you couldn't tell what the subject was. When I changed to a much higher ISO (1250) and slightly lowered the exposure settings the pics came out good. I was under the impression the lower ISO settings on sunny day prevented washout. What did I do wrong?

BTW, I didn't save any of the bad pics, sorry.

Thanks for your help.
Cookie
1. I have a Canon MK 7D II, and I've been reading ... (show quote)


I would strongly suggest you set the camera to P and enjoy yourself.

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Oct 23, 2018 08:59:21   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
You will need to deactivate the AF on half pressing the shutter button. I think some of the responses here could be clearer. Otherwise there is no point having the back button activate focus.

That is incorrect. I use back button focus on my 7D II much of the time. I have the AF On button set to automatically switch to AI Servo when depressed, whereas the shutter button is set for One Shot. When I want One Shot I use the shutter button, when I want AI Servo for sports or action I use back button focusing. I also have the * button set for a second choice for back button focusing with different shooting parameters, and a different focus point zone, primarily for birds in flight. As long as the back buttons are kept depressed they take focus away from the shutter button and automatically apply my specified shooting options such as a specific focus point or zone selection and a switch to AI Servo. Disabling AF on the shutter button is just one approach to BBF on a 7D Mark II and is definitely not necessary to take advantage of that feature.

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Oct 23, 2018 09:02:28   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
billnikon wrote:
I would strongly suggest you set the camera to P and enjoy yourself.

I agree if he has no intention of learning how to get the best from his camera and P mode meets all his shooting requirements. I wouldn't suggest using it for sports, birding or wildlife though, or anything else that moves quickly or erratically for that matter. I also wouldn't suggest using P mode for low light conditions. I personally only use P mode when I just want to get some quick snaps and don't want to spend time adjusting for the best shot.

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Oct 23, 2018 09:08:37   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Longshadow wrote:
So with this camera there are three options for focus?


I'm not sure I understand your question. Can you be more specific. There are actually 13 different options for AF focus but none of them are related specifically to back button focusing but some of them are specific to AI Servo. I assume you are referring to my use of back button focusing on the 7D Mark II but it's still unclear to me exactly what you're asking.

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Oct 23, 2018 09:11:12   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Longshadow wrote:

Thought so.


He is incorrect. Deactivating focus on the shutter button is only one approach to using back button focusing on the 7D Mark II. With a less configurable camera with fewer focusing options for the back button it might seem the only way to go. But on this camera it most assuredly is not. See my response to him a few posts above this one.

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Oct 23, 2018 09:52:11   #
SonyA580 Loc: FL in the winter & MN in the summer
 
Cookie223 wrote:
Oh, I thought I could use both. I like the idea that I can hold my AF button down while following my granddaughter around the field and stay in focus. I missed a great catch she made (she almost went over the fence) because I lost focus.
Thanks


Does your camera have a "Continuous Auto Focus" (AFC on Sony) mode? If you are trying to stay focused and follow the action, this is the way to go ...., much easier than holding any buttons down as the camera continually keeps the subject in focus.

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Oct 23, 2018 10:10:17   #
ToBoldlyGo Loc: London U.K.
 
mwsilvers wrote:
He is incorrect. Deactivating focus on the shutter button is only one approach to using back button focusing on the 7D Mark II. With a less configurable camera with fewer focusing options for the back button it might seem the only way to go. But on this camera it most assuredly is not. See my response to him a few posts above this one.


Oops sorry.

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Oct 23, 2018 10:42:52   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
Oops sorry.


Nothing to be sorry about.

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Oct 23, 2018 11:00:06   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
mwsilvers wrote:
He is incorrect. Deactivating focus on the shutter button is only one approach to using back button focusing on the 7D Mark II. With a less configurable camera with fewer focusing options for the back button it might seem the only way to go. But on this camera it most assuredly is not. See my response to him a few posts above this one.

Okay. (Saw that.)
(Don't have a 7d, wondering how many options may be different between models.)
Thanks!

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Oct 23, 2018 11:04:40   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Depends. What were the other settings of the exposure triangle? And, for action photography, a higher ISO is always warranted, even on a sunny day, since you are catching movement.


I read through the thread and cannot find an answer to this question. Were you in full manual, AV, TV or some other mode? Do you have any limits set on aperture, shutter speed or ISO? What lens were you using?

Could you post one of the "failed" images?

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Oct 23, 2018 11:24:53   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
It's hard to say since you didn't save any of the pics for us to view.

Cookie223 wrote:
1. I have a Canon MK 7D II, and I've been reading a lot about the benefits of using back button focus. Isn't the AF-ON button in the back of my camera the same thing?

2. I recently took some pictures of a softball game. It was an overcast sky and the first few shots were taken using ISO settings between 100 & 200, those pictures were washed out to the point that you couldn't tell what the subject was. When I changed to a much higher ISO (1250) and slightly lowered the exposure settings the pics came out good. I was under the impression the lower ISO settings on sunny day prevented washout. What did I do wrong?

BTW, I didn't save any of the bad pics, sorry.

Thanks for your help.
Cookie
1. I have a Canon MK 7D II, and I've been reading ... (show quote)

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Oct 23, 2018 11:49:24   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Without making changes a half press pf your shutter button will both meter and auto focus. The AF-On button, which is the default button for back button focusing on the 7D Mark II will also auto focus. If you autofocus using the back button and keep it held down the shutter button will not refocus even if you recompose your shot. You have effectively taken focus off the shutter button. However, if you intend to shoot that way all the time you can go into your custom controls and take autofocus off the shutter button altogether. In that case, assuming you are shooting in One Shot you can take your thumb off the back button and the focus won't change when you depress the shutter.

However, as they say in the informercials, but wait...there's more. Many of the buttons on the 7D Mark II are highly configurable. My standard setup is to leave the shutter alone. My default AF mode is 1 point with four assist points and One shot. I set the AF-On button to automatically change to AI Servo and use whatever AF Mode is current. I have also turned the * button into a second back button and for that one I have also selected Ai Servo and but with Zone AF (15 moveable points) for my AF mode. That my quick and dirty go to for quickly moving wildlife. This camera allows for an incredible degree of configuration.
Without making changes a half press pf your shutte... (show quote)


Thanks MW, this is what I was hoping to be able to do.

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