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Oct 23, 2018 00:42:02   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
jackm1943 wrote:
Thanks Linda. I did get this to work but not sure will be practical in routine workflow. Have been playing more with ACR/Photoshop and found that a bit of Clarity and a bit of Dehaze together give something fairly similar to Structure.
JackM


So does DxO Photolab "Micro Contrast".

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Oct 23, 2018 06:13:23   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
jackm1943 wrote:
Does anyone know of a program that offers something similar to the Structure function in the NIK Vivesa plug-in? That is the only thing I use in the entire NIK suite. Please don't say ACR Clarity because it's way different and not nearly as good. I updated to CC2019 and have now lost the NIK plug-ins and it will not accept copies from older CC versions. Even the Vivesa from their 30-day trial version would not work (could be a computer problem?).
Thanks, JackM


Photoshop allows you to do something similar, using unsharp mask - it's a two-pass approach - in one pass, you use a large radius and a small amount of sharpening - this will enhance medium frequency textures. And in the second pass, you use a small radius and a large amount. Other programs like On1 Effects and Topaz Adjust also give you similar functionality.

ACR Clarity when used together with Dehaze can do some nice things - but you are correct, they are different from Viveza.

However, the current version of Nik works just fine with Photoshop 2019. You may be right - you might have a computer issue.

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Oct 23, 2018 08:01:29   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
When my PS upgraded to the newest version my NIK filters were transferred seamlessly

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Oct 23, 2018 12:10:19   #
rcdovala
 
jackm1943 wrote:
Does anyone know of a program that offers something similar to the Structure function in the NIK Vivesa plug-in? That is the only thing I use in the entire NIK suite. Please don't say ACR Clarity because it's way different and not nearly as good. I updated to CC2019 and have now lost the NIK plug-ins and it will not accept copies from older CC versions. Even the Vivesa from their 30-day trial version would not work (could be a computer problem?).
Thanks, JackM


I wish I could solve your problem, but I can't. All that I can tell you is that when I copied the NIK plugins to Photoshop 2019, Vivesa did appear as a plugin for Photoshop 2019.

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Oct 23, 2018 14:59:31   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
In Nik Color Effx Pro 4––"Detail Extractor" is just as good, IMO.

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Oct 23, 2018 15:29:02   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
The Nik collection is recognized by the latest upgrade of Photoshop CC to 2019. And, there appears to be no simple way to attach it. It is, however, recognized by the latest Lightroom Classic CC

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Oct 23, 2018 15:38:28   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
I want to send special thanks to Linda of Maine and Bill de. Each suggested workarounds for my problems with the NIK plug-ins...AND BOTH WORK!!! I am very grateful for their help because, even working with DxO and their trying to help, I am unable even to download the trial version. I will have to do some trial and error work to determine whether Linda's or Bill's method works out best. I won't even have to fork up the $69 which my MasterCard won't even approve because it involves "international transactions", whatever that's all about.
Again, thanks Linda and Bill.
JackM

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Oct 23, 2018 16:00:01   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
It's kind of the nature of plugins they just have one job to do and thats all they do opening files is the host programs job. There is an exception for hdr as 3 files need to come in for that.

What is supposed to happen is the host program makes a copy of the image and passes it to the nik plugin either as jpeg or tif and the plugin loads that image does its manipulations and finally saves this version over the original, which is why the host program is supposed to make a copy. The color space must be sRGB for nik too, or it comes back way over cooked.

To do it without a host program you should be able to drag a jpg or tiff on to the plugin executable and it will use it as an argument for the program.
or you can sometimes do the same thing in a terminal open nikxyz.exe myphoto.jpg ( this is principal not instructions) it gets interpreted as open this program and give it this picture to work with. I'm not so sure windows lets you work this way but for macs it works. Photoshop pretty much works the same as the terminal version just when it gets the file back it will import it as a new layer. For lightroom its the same file as it passed over as far as its concerned. Nik works so much better in layers.

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Oct 23, 2018 16:17:11   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
blackest wrote:
It's kind of the nature of plugins they just have one job to do and thats all they do opening files is the host programs job. There is an exception for hdr as 3 files need to come in for that.

What is supposed to happen is the host program makes a copy of the image and passes it to the nik plugin either as jpeg or tif and the plugin loads that image does its manipulations and finally saves this version over the original, which is why the host program is supposed to make a copy. The color space must be sRGB for nik too, or it comes back way over cooked.

To do it without a host program you should be able to drag a jpg or tiff on to the plugin executable and it will use it as an argument for the program.
or you can sometimes do the same thing in a terminal open nikxyz.exe myphoto.jpg ( this is principal not instructions) it gets interpreted as open this program and give it this picture to work with. I'm not so sure windows lets you work this way but for macs it works. Photoshop pretty much works the same as the terminal version just when it gets the file back it will import it as a new layer. For lightroom its the same file as it passed over as far as its concerned. Nik works so much better in layers.
It's kind of the nature of plugins they just have ... (show quote)


Thanks blackest. I think you've kind of described the two workaround methods provided by Linda and Bill. This is all somewhat above my computer "pay grade" but I'm pretty sure I will probably find one more practical than the other, but both seem to work.
JackM

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Oct 23, 2018 17:46:02   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
jackm1943 wrote:
Thanks blackest. I think you've kind of described the two workaround methods provided by Linda and Bill. This is all somewhat above my computer "pay grade" but I'm pretty sure I will probably find one more practical than the other, but both seem to work.
JackM


There shouldn't be any real reason why Photoshop doesn't work with your plugins. You could always try Affinity Photo that works with nik too :)

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Oct 23, 2018 19:11:40   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
blackest wrote:
There shouldn't be any real reason why Photoshop doesn't work with your plugins. You could always try Affinity Photo that works with nik too :)


I agree, but for some reason the Viveza doesn't work. The other NIKs do, but I want only Viveza. I think one of the workarounds provided me will work OK for now.
JackM

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