SteveR Loc: Michigan

Does anybody else wonder who's feeding all of these people?

Huey Driver Loc: Texas

You aren't answering the question. Just drivel so you get heard. Now answer the question.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Latest news on multiple sources puts it at 4-5,000 and growing.
They broke down a gate at a crossing into Mexico and Federales had to use pepper spray etc to stop them but at least several hundred of them got past the Federales into Mexico.
At a main crossing which is a bridge over a large river aprx 1000 Federales have the bridge and river bank blocked and patroled and so far the main body of the caravan are stalled there.
Someone is paying for and supplying this group, food, porta potties have been reported along the route etc. One estimate put it at $7000 each to get them to the US Border.
Mexico is putting out a major effort so the US won't start cutting off imports/exports.
And of course the President has mentioned putting US Troops on the border to stop them. One report says that Mexico has agreed that any stopped at the US border could be put right back across the border without the usual red tape.
So far a few hundred who claimed to be seeking asylum have been granted asylum in Mexico from this and the last "caravan" a few months ago. If they are really after asylum then Mexico should serve as well as the US, but if the real goal is the US that is a different matter.

Since it is a long border and mostly land they can just walk across almost anywhere. The only way to really control it is with a barrier/wall backed by many many agents or troops all along the border.

Current law says that as soon as they ask an immigration agent or border patrol agent for asylum then they are automatically in the system and allowed to stay at least until their hearing. There is talk of trying to get Congress to change that law so "asylum" seekers do not automatically get the right to stay until a hearing and increasing staff to hold hearings much faster. The average time now is over 1000 days and a large % who get into the US never show for their hearing.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

My comment you quoted was in response to another post. (not drivel, but you are entitled to your interpretation.):

sktlaw wrote:
And I thought I had signed up with some great people on a photography forum. Boy was I sure fooled.

Longshadow wrote:
Curious - Because they don't agree with your visions or philosophy?
(You don't say how you were fooled.)

My reply to your post was the first reply. Should I have said "Wh**ever it takes to stop them."?
Huey Driver wrote:

A serious question that deserves a serious answer ... (show quote)


Longshadow wrote:
Stop them.
In most other countries they would be stopped.
There is a BIG difference between legal and illegal entry.
/s: Maybe some of our people should go out and come back in as aliens to be taken care of better........

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

So, I guess the military guys could shoot them all, huh?

Tom DePuy Loc: Waxhaw, N.C.

And this is the general chit chat forum

ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

How many would we stop from crossing "if" they all had "BA's"; MBA"S" or PHD's or for that matter looked a lot like "Norwegians"
Finding out what's going on from where their coming from & doing something about it -- Will eventually if done right keep them home

Quinn 4

The answers I reading is the same as was giving in the 1840s when the Irish came to America to get away from the famine in Ireland or the Jews in the 1890s coming here to get away from Russia. The only real answer is at the base of the Statue of Liberty.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Hmmmm. Other countries don't care mow many of what degrees you may have or what you look like. Illegal entry is well,
illegal.

Huey Driver Loc: Texas

Problem is they don't have those degrees and most can't support themselves and are welfare candidates at tax payers expense.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

The problem isn't 4,000. The problem is the entire country. What's to keep the entire country from coming through Mexico to the U.S. if our borders become an open sieve?

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

But in those days the US still had lots of open land to homestead and a developing industrial revolution that could absorb hordes of unsk**led and sk**led workers. Today we have 320 million or so in an economy that needs sk**led work mostly, often desk type, engineers etc. Many of the unsk**led factory jobs and farm jobs are now done by machines and even computers/robots. The vast majority of these people are fairly low education, low work sk**l people and we just don't have the economy to absorb them. Or for that matter unlimited space in the cities. And we certainly don't have the money to support them, give them health care, education etc. We are already trillions in debt.
I feel for them also, many of them come from countries that are run by a moneyed elite through semi dictators or outright dictators who keep them poor by design.
If we can't influence their governments to work at improving their nation so they don't feel the pressure to leave (living at our poverty level is actually above what most of them have at home) then perhaps the solution a SciFi writer once suggested would be the best = put them in camps to support the women and children, train the military age men and women (to include education in rule of law etc), arm them and then take them back to their home country to takeover/force the changes needed.

Just taking them in to live here is a dead end route. Someone published a study of the people in Central America and South America in which they concluded that at least 170 million of them would come to the US if they could. Our nation just cannot absorb that many people into our economy and taxes to support them on some form of welfare would put most of our people down much lower on the economic scale. Far better to raise their standard of living where they are "At Home". All those waves of immigrants in the past were fed by economics and lack of freedom where they came from.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA

I wil keep this a short as I can. George Bush and Obama let some of the people in our country from Central America which is a nightmare place.
Guatemala, Honduras and Guatemala are the murder capitals of the world. Guatemala the worst. People have been traveling in groups and
coming through Mexico to escape having their children forced to sell drugs their girls raped and murdered if you tried to escape.
This is not the first caravan all groups of people. Trump is using this to try and bail out the midterm e******ns. The Mexicans take some in
others suffer by the Mexicans. They are not being allowed into Mexico from Guatemala and it is tense at the Mexican border.
We have a law being the great country we are that anyone walking up to our border and asking for asylum from foreign horrors gets a fair hearing.
Then can be turned away or wait for a decision.
George Bush knew that much needed labor in the US came over the border. The dirty work. Like picking crops etc.
Obama was tougher on them and did deport many folks in his years.
Then when you see the pictures of the children and mothers in such great pain like the Syrians we realize this needs some cooperation
between countries and some compassion as well as toughness. Even in Mexico the refugees fall victim to exploitation many of the women are raped
or sold to traffickers. What is going on now is political showboating. About a very serious world problem. Look at Europe.
If the Mexicans let them come up to our border and ask our laws say we have to considerate or just say no.
Now that aside we are like one country with Mexico thousands of workers come to the US daily for work. And Americans work in Mexico Daily.
It would be a real problem if all this commerce just stopped. Countries around the world have taken in thousands of people. Millions of Syrians
have been allowed into the surrounding countries like Jordan, Turkey etc etc have take them in don't know what to do.
The moronic thing about all this if drugs in Mexico and many of these countries have created the cartels. And who buys most of these drugs? Americans!
It is a fact if the legal and i*****l i*******t population were here business would close everywhere in the US.
The question is what would we or should we do. We have guns. What a mess that would be. Is that the answer you want.

Huey Driver Loc: Texas

Wonder where the useless United Nations is in all this. Why aren't they helping? I thought they helped provided some humanitarian help when needed?