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Oct 12, 2018 17:19:25   #
tinwhistle
 
Tremendous amount of advice aimed at the OP, a lot of it beyond your present capability. Linda kept it simple, directed toward helping you with the immediate problem. Focus. When shooting wildlife, especially birds (which simply do not stand still) and in this case a flying bird at distance, you have one large problem. Under the circumstances you described the images you have are pretty darn good. Just keep shooting. You will get better...

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Oct 12, 2018 17:20:44   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
DannyKaye wrote:
...get a full frame camera ...


I disagree. Full frame with the same lens would have made the bird smaller making things worse.

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Oct 12, 2018 17:48:02   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Oops...........

To late to edit...... the first sentence should have read...."Spot focus is not for bif photos. "


frankraney wrote:
Auto iso is not for bif photos. It's more for stationary objects and portraits...... for bif set the focus mode to af-c, and 3d tracking, and center weighted metering.

Auto iso is more for when changing from, say, inside to outside quickly. In other words, when changing lighting quickly.


For that time of day i would set iso at 800. F stop around 8. Shutter around 1/800. And adjust shutter from there (up not down).

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Oct 12, 2018 19:03:25   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
Just me, but I try to take as many variables out as possible. Learn to shoot manual, manual everything except focus. If I were out and about like you, assuming a clear sky with the sun at your back, take a reading of the sky. Anticipating dark birds, or subjects darker than the sky, go plus 1 to 2 on your exposure (3 to 6 clicks assuming 1/3 increments). Anticipating light colored birds, lighter than the sky, like this egret, go minus 1 or 2. After after a while, you will get the hang of exposure adjustments by the number of clicks (aperture or SS) and you will be able to react quickly to changing subjects. In manual, as long as the light remains constant on your subject, your exposure will remain correct. In an try auto mode, your camera will try to make adjustments on the background lighting which can change while the light oh your subject is the same. Some may suggest spot metering but, I don't care how good you are, trying to keep a single spot on a moving target is no easy task , RE ISO, try to keep it as low as possible while maintaining sufficient speed to freeze your image. Your image quality will improve dramatically. I like to keep my ISO around 800, but I will say, if you are really good with your exposures, keeping your histogram to the right, you can decent images depending on your equipment in the 4000 range. For large, slowing moving subjects like this egret, you could probably go below 1/1000, but to begin with, keep it around 1/1000. For fast moving subjects, like shore birds in flight, you will need shutter speeds well on excess of 1/3000 or more. I spent several days shooting Atlantic Puffins and my best results were shot in excess of a 1/4000 ss. RE aperture, what I have found is that with subjects relatively far away, wide open is fine, allowing you to keep your ISO relatively low while keeping up your shutter speed. Some lenses may not perform well wide open but I use pretty expensive stuff and have no problems wide open. Only when you get in really tight with subjects will you need the additional DOF smaller apertures will provide. Larger apertures with a shallow depth of field also keeps the background soft which I prefer. So that's my 2 cents. I am sure I forgot something, but most of all, practice, practice and practice some more. When you get that keeper, all the time be worth it.

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Oct 12, 2018 21:47:16   #
fotoman150
 
swartfort wrote:
Please don't start off by telling me I don't understand the exposure triangle or know nothing about photography. I am not necessarily looking for a book recommendation, but rather specific thoughts on how you would set your camera for this particular type of shot. If you have examples of similar shots, please feel free to share them along with how you shot it. Thank you in advance for your kind help!!

Once again, I tried to set up a wildlife shoot. I was in "golden hour" on a partly cloudy evening, I had scouted a spot where there are significant chances to catch various birds and some animal life. I placed myself with my back to the sun and the wind to my face.

My equipment: D3400, Nikon AF-S 70-300 4.5-5.6 VR ED G
Camera Settings: Spot meter, single point focus, Manual with auto ISO

A bit more information: As I was waiting, I found some interesting "fauna" and was playing with my aperture and shutter speed (hence ISO). The aperture was set at 13 when I saw the approaching bird, I spun up the shutter speed (maybe not enough), neglected the aperture, and began to focus and shoot....

Attached is a result. 1st is SOOC, second is with some edit. My questions:

1) The bright white bird is blown out. Should Exposure compensation have been
used differently?

2) Would altering the aperture have given me more "crisp" results? or is it just that
the shutter speed was still a tad low?

3) How would you have set your camera to be "ready" for this short moment
that happens fast and then is gone?

4) Is my G.A.S. for a longer lens a symptom or a cure?
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Oct 12, 2018 21:49:34   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
tinwhistle wrote:
Tremendous amount of advice aimed at the OP, a lot of it beyond your present capability. Linda kept it simple, directed toward helping you with the immediate problem. Focus. When shooting wildlife, especially birds (which simply do not stand still) and in this case a flying bird at distance, you have one large problem. Under the circumstances you described the images you have are pretty darn good. Just keep shooting. You will get better...


I agree. I don't see a huge problem with either focus or blown highlights. Maybe it's just me.

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Oct 12, 2018 22:23:27   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
The biggest problem with the OP is his expectations - considering his equipment, subject distance and lighting !

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Oct 12, 2018 22:30:37   #
srt101fan
 
imagemeister wrote:
The biggest problem with the OP is his expectations - considering his equipment, subject distance and lighting !

..


Good point! Basically he did pretty well with what he had to work with.

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Oct 12, 2018 23:40:00   #
User ID
 
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Delderby wrote:

Well I would have deleted this pic in camera. ........


Very likely the OP did delete various similar frames
from this fly-by. He knows it's not so great, which is
why he avoided deleting ALL frames, cuz that would
leave him no sample photo with which to ask [other
hogs than yourself] for some useful advice.

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Oct 13, 2018 01:06:09   #
Pappi_Maize
 
I would use manual focusing, to avoid the subject not being the point of focus (so your camera focus on something entirely unintended).

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Oct 13, 2018 01:41:39   #
aubreybogle Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
srt101fan wrote:
Thanks Linda, appreciate your on-target comments.

Still trying to figure out how all this relates to the OP's questions....


As usual.

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Oct 13, 2018 02:05:48   #
aubreybogle Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
aellman wrote:
I agree. I don't see a huge problem with either focus or blown highlights. Maybe it's just me.


Concur. It could be better (probably not by me), but it is one I could happily show my friends talking about my last trip to .... My only minor negative thought, which I recognize is outside the scope of the OP's original post, is that I would have preferred the background less sharp (more boquet). However, we take our subjects when and where we find them with the lens, camera, and light we have at hand, and do the best we can.

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Oct 13, 2018 03:50:49   #
DannyKaye Loc: Sheffield now but soon moving to Blanzay
 
I agree FF does not get the advantage of crop multipliers. However, if this had been taken with my d810 or even my Df the cropped version would have looked better. He also needs good focus follow which seems to be better on most FF compared to most crop sensor cameras.

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Oct 15, 2018 08:23:57   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Nalu wrote:
Just me, but I try to take as many variables out as possible. Learn to shoot manual, manual everything except focus. If I were out and about like you, assuming a clear sky with the sun at your back, take a reading of the sky. Anticipating dark birds, or subjects darker than the sky, go plus 1 to 2 on your exposure (3 to 6 clicks assuming 1/3 increments). Anticipating light colored birds, lighter than the sky, like this egret, go minus 1 or 2. After after a while, you will get the hang of exposure adjustments by the number of clicks (aperture or SS) and you will be able to react quickly to changing subjects. In manual, as long as the light remains constant on your subject, your exposure will remain correct. In an try auto mode, your camera will try to make adjustments on the background lighting which can change while the light oh your subject is the same. Some may suggest spot metering but, I don't care how good you are, trying to keep a single spot on a moving target is no easy task , RE ISO, try to keep it as low as possible while maintaining sufficient speed to freeze your image. Your image quality will improve dramatically. I like to keep my ISO around 800, but I will say, if you are really good with your exposures, keeping your histogram to the right, you can decent images depending on your equipment in the 4000 range. For large, slowing moving subjects like this egret, you could probably go below 1/1000, but to begin with, keep it around 1/1000. For fast moving subjects, like shore birds in flight, you will need shutter speeds well on excess of 1/3000 or more. I spent several days shooting Atlantic Puffins and my best results were shot in excess of a 1/4000 ss. RE aperture, what I have found is that with subjects relatively far away, wide open is fine, allowing you to keep your ISO relatively low while keeping up your shutter speed. Some lenses may not perform well wide open but I use pretty expensive stuff and have no problems wide open. Only when you get in really tight with subjects will you need the additional DOF smaller apertures will provide. Larger apertures with a shallow depth of field also keeps the background soft which I prefer. So that's my 2 cents. I am sure I forgot something, but most of all, practice, practice and practice some more. When you get that keeper, all the time be worth it.
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Oct 15, 2018 10:48:46   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
There was nothing wrong with your photo that practice won't correct. Here's a Youtube on camera settings for BIF, try them your next time out shooting, they work.

https://digital-photography-school.com/10-must-use-bird-photography-camera-settings-beginners/

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