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Oct 10, 2018 09:28:55   #
FreddB Loc: PA - Delaware County
 
tommy2 wrote:
Andrew Jackson's statues should be removed along with the confederate's...


Washington Monument? Washington, DC? Jefferson Memorial? etc, etc
Where does it end?
You can't change history!
You can't eradicate intolerance/hate with MORE intolerance!!!

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Oct 10, 2018 09:29:26   #
rcarol
 
tommy2 wrote:
Andrew Jackson's statues should be removed along with the confederate's...


Removing or destroying statues will not change history.

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Oct 10, 2018 09:36:49   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Stephan G wrote:
Then there will always be a fight as to which profile to use on the twenty dollar bill. ...

Not to mention many of the other denominations.

Do we really want to look into Benjamin Franklin, the iconic dirty old man, or others who drank too much like Ulysses S. Grant, many founding fathers who owned slaves, etc.

Where does it end?

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Oct 10, 2018 09:37:05   #
tommy2 Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
tommy2 wrote:
Andrew Jackson's statues should be removed along with the confederate's...


Just "poked the bear" and appreciate the compassionate responses!

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Oct 10, 2018 09:45:20   #
Stephan G
 
FreddB wrote:
Washington Monument? Washington, DC? Jefferson Memorial? etc, etc
Where does it end?
You can't change history!
You can't eradicate intolerance/hate with MORE intolerance!!!


Actually, by removing History does one gets to repeat it.


Seriously, the demand for removal is that the piece of History gainsays the history between the ears.

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Oct 10, 2018 10:04:18   #
Stephan G
 
selmslie wrote:
Not to mention many of the other denominations.

Do we really want to look into Benjamin Franklin, the iconic dirty old man, or others who drank too much like Ulysses S. Grant, many founding fathers who owned slaves, etc.

Where does it end?


They were not the white father who stole land from rightful owners and reneged on international treaties, causing virtual genocide.

The definitive issues were not of personal failings, they were of military conquest of other nations by "hook or crook".

If you want a more modern example in the making, look no further than the present occupant of the oval office.

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Oct 10, 2018 11:15:20   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Stephan G wrote:
They were not the white father who stole land from rightful owners and reneged on international treaties, causing virtual genocide.

The definitive issues were not of personal failings, they were of military conquest of other nations by "hook or crook".

If you want a more modern example in the making, look no further than the present occupant of the oval office.

History is an interesting topic but you need to approach it with an open mind. Applying today's morals to historical times is the wrong way to look at it. After all, the Old Testament is full of invasions and wars of conquest. Does that mean it's a bad book?

All of our forefathers stole land from their neighbors and predecessors. This includes most of the "native" Americans who stole hunting grounds from prior residents - all the way back to the original migration across the Bering Strait before which there were presumably no humans to displace.

As for looking at the residents of the Oval Office, the previous occupant made a concerted effort to steal from people who worked for their living in order to give it to people who did not want to work. Not to mention the riches that were given taken from the U.S. and given to other countries. Or the squandering of the nation's reputation by drawing red lines in the sand with invisible ink.

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Oct 10, 2018 13:06:27   #
blue-ultra Loc: New Hampshire
 
Beautiful story and excellent image. Thank you for sharing. My Irish ancestors never told me about this!

BTW while at the end of the Blue Ridge trail I stopped at a town Cherokee, NC where they have an annual event remembering the "Trail of Tears".... I was moved then as I am now with this revelation.


Bob

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Oct 10, 2018 13:59:17   #
WestTnGuy
 
[quote=Stephan G]They were not the white father who stole land from rightful owners and reneged on international treaties, causing virtual genocide.

Stephan, maybe you should take a closer look at General Grant! Even after commanding the army to free the slaves he keep his slave after the war because “good help was hard to find” until slavery was finally outlawed. And wasn’t his presidency the beginning of the major genocide that happened to the western native Americans after the Civil War? I am actually more ashamed of that period than the ‘Trail of Tears’. At least during the Trail they (we) were not intentionally killing Native Americans though many died a horrible death.

And don’t ever forget, at least in the US, a leader cannot or will not do anything that a sizeable portion of the population does not agree with. That goes for every president I can remember in my 64 years. Even Johnson was supported in the Vietnam War until close to the end of his term and people turning against the war costed him another term.

And as someone else stated we cannot use today’s standards to judge historical figures.

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Oct 10, 2018 14:07:42   #
ediesaul
 
In the town of Midleton, County Cork, Ireland. The tour visited the Old Midleton Distillery, which Wikipedia describes thusly: "The Jameson Experience, Midleton tour explains the history of Jameson Whiskey and the distillery that operated before it was produced there. Tours include a film, and walking tour, in which guests are guided through the old distillery, where they can admire the old kilns, mills, maltings, water wheel, still house, distiller’s cottage, cooperage and warehouses. Small numbers of visitors can also volunteer to participate in a taste test, comparing Jameson Whiskey, Scotch whisky, and American whiskey, to become a "Qualified Irish Whiskey Taster."

My husband said the tour was very interesting.

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Oct 10, 2018 20:44:42   #
Stephan G
 
selmslie wrote:
History is an interesting topic but you need to approach it with an open mind. Applying today's morals to historical times is the wrong way to look at it. After all, the Old Testament is full of invasions and wars of conquest. Does that mean it's a bad book?

All of our forefathers stole land from their neighbors and predecessors. This includes most of the "native" Americans who stole hunting grounds from prior residents - all the way back to the original migration across the Bering Strait before which there were presumably no humans to displace.

As for looking at the residents of the Oval Office, the previous occupant made a concerted effort to steal from people who worked for their living in order to give it to people who did not want to work. Not to mention the riches that were given taken from the U.S. and given to other countries. Or the squandering of the nation's reputation by drawing red lines in the sand with invisible ink.
History is an interesting topic but you need to ap... (show quote)


Politics is as old as the other human occupation.

So is propaganda of the type you promote. Do some real study of humanity in History. Else you are doomed to keep repeating your trash.

This is not the venue for your fantasy. It has nothing to do with photography nor with human communication.

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Oct 11, 2018 00:19:25   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
FreddB wrote:
Washington Monument? Washington, DC? Jefferson Memorial? etc, etc
Where does it end?
You can't change history!
You can't eradicate intolerance/hate with MORE intolerance!!!



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Oct 11, 2018 05:42:48   #
ervinada Loc: Hollywood, Florida
 
A beautiful shot and wonderful story. Thanks for sharing an otherwise unknown piece of history. Pox on all those that have turned your shot and tale into an ignorant political duel.

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Oct 11, 2018 06:13:24   #
J-SPEIGHT Loc: Akron, Ohio
 
ediesaul wrote:
While my husband and the tour were visiting yet another distillery, I walked around an Irish town and stumbled upon this gorgeous sculpture. It was unmarked in a park that was littered with garbage at the edge of what was supposed to be a wildlife refuge. I had no idea what it was, so I asked a woman at a tourist agency.

Here is a remarkable story:

The Choctaw nation, just a few years after undergoing the Trail of Tears, heard of the suffering of the Irish during the Great Famine. This Indian nation, poor and despondent, nevertheless sent money to aid the people of Ireland.

Recently, Ireland erected this sculpture commemorating the generosity of the Choctaw nation.

The sculpture is so beautiful and the story is so touching and nobody on my bus, and probably very few in the United States, knew of this episode that I felt a need to share.
While my husband and the tour were visiting yet an... (show quote)

Beautiful image and a great story Edie.

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Oct 11, 2018 06:38:01   #
bbrown5154 Loc: Baltimore, MD
 
ediesaul wrote:
While my husband and the tour were visiting yet another distillery, I walked around an Irish town and stumbled upon this gorgeous sculpture. It was unmarked in a park that was littered with garbage at the edge of what was supposed to be a wildlife refuge. I had no idea what it was, so I asked a woman at a tourist agency.

Here is a remarkable story:

The Choctaw nation, just a few years after undergoing the Trail of Tears, heard of the suffering of the Irish during the Great Famine. This Indian nation, poor and despondent, nevertheless sent money to aid the people of Ireland.

Recently, Ireland erected this sculpture commemorating the generosity of the Choctaw nation.

The sculpture is so beautiful and the story is so touching and nobody on my bus, and probably very few in the United States, knew of this episode that I felt a need to share.
While my husband and the tour were visiting yet an... (show quote)


Awesome story and monument and photo.
I never knew that, thanks for sharing.

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