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Sep 27, 2018 05:44:25   #
DAN Phillips Loc: Graysville, GA
 
Please excuse ignorance! What is MFT?

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Sep 27, 2018 05:47:10   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
Please excuse ignorance! What is MFT?


Micro FourThirds

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Sep 27, 2018 05:52:10   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Shoot the 75 1.8 wide open...but even so, I’m doubting that’ll give enough separation without still needing to blur the background.

If you lived closer I’d let you try my 150 f2. That would likely do the trick, but then you’d be stuck at that focal length.

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Sep 27, 2018 06:26:27   #
DannyKaye Loc: Sheffield now but soon moving to Blanzay
 
Your f/2.8 lens wide open should approach what you want but a wider aperture should make it easier because you gain some apparent DoF on a crop sensor. basically keep it wide open and raise ISO to get a useable shutter speed, you don't say what sports but if it is fast moving a higher shutter speed is more useful than low ISO. Don't get an f/4 lens it won't help.
Danny

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Sep 27, 2018 06:35:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
This is with the 75-300 mm lens at 300 mm, if that focal range might be of interest to you. With your sports venues, the relatively short distance from subject to background could definitely be an issue - assuming you're on the sidelines and not shooting from the goal ends

M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 75-300mm f/4.8-6.7 II Lens at f/8


Stunning!!

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Sep 27, 2018 06:39:19   #
wildweasel
 
I also believe a mid range zoom might be the answer, something like the 75-300.

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Sep 27, 2018 07:04:12   #
ELNikkor
 
The 12-100 f4 you mention would be counter-productive to your goals, as you want wide apertures and longer focal length, not a shorter, slower lens. Did you set the 40-150 aperture priority at 2.8? That will give you the most blur-for-the-buck foreground and background. You'll also get the most blur at 150 with the subject as close as possible, (ie, not far away and cropped in in post.) If you get any other lens, it might be the 75-300, as that will allow you to fill the frame from farther out. Just be sure your aperture is wide-open to get the maximum isolation of your subject.

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Sep 27, 2018 07:12:31   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Trav, if you want to Isolate the subject with an M43 lens try out a 75 1.8 as Gene has suggested... I just bought one to chase my dogs around. Acts like the Canon 135 and is a gorgeous lens.

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Sep 27, 2018 08:07:17   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
LarryFB wrote:
Unfortunately, that is a common issue with a camera with a smaller than full frame sensor. Crop sensor cameras will always give you a greater depth of field than a full frame.


I don't have any problem with DOF on my DX camera (Nikon D7100 and Nikon D7000 or my old Nikon D70s NOTE: ALL DX cameras). I generally use a 50mm, 18-70mm, 70-300, or an 80-400mm lens and put the camera on aperture priority or shoot manually using a wider (most wide open) f/stop... I don't let the f/stop go more than one or two clicks below wide open and focus on my subject. Usually the foreground and background drop out of focus leaving ONLY the subject. DOF IS DOF regardless of full frame or crop sensor.. However, DOF is wider /different on DX. Use the DOF app on the internet... it will show you the focus area for any lens on any camera.

http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
try this... I have it on my cell phone and on my computer at home.

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Sep 27, 2018 08:12:27   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
I recently tried that same lens and you're right about the ungainly! In fact all my horizons were tilted because I had to hand hold and I wasn't used to the weight. I think the 75-300 might be a better choice. I own that one and it isn't ungainly.

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Sep 27, 2018 08:23:10   #
TSHDGTL
 
For out of focus background the ratio between camera and subject and subject to background need to be high. Crop cameras require you to move back further to get the same composition which messes up this ratio. One alternative is to use a long zoom lens to compress the background.

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Sep 27, 2018 08:45:56   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
"Unfortunately, that is a common issue with a camera with a smaller than full frame sensor. Crop sensor cameras will always give you a greater depth of field than a full frame."

This is not totally true. It will be very hard for anyone to see a difference in depth of field with both cameras set at f16 when photographing the same subject from the same distance. To blur the background, lets say in portraits, because of the increased magnification with a cropped sensor it will be necessary to come closer to the subject to blur more the background like done with a "full frame camera.
Panning is a good way to blur backgrounds using a shutter speed of around 1/30 sec. or so. I do not know how to blur the background in sports unless a large aperture is used with a tele and the background is somewhat distant from the subject.

I do not know how successful is the OP using a camera like the EM-10 Mk II that has only contrast detection AF to photograph sports. I would say the Olympus EM-1 Mk II would be a better choice. The 40-150 f2.8 Pro is an excellent lens from all I know about it but it is somewhat bulky and heavy. That was the reason I bought the cheap 40-150 f4-5.6 kit lens which is light, compact and has excellent image quality. The lens mount is plastic, nothing that bothers me and it has variable apertures like many other zooms so in low light its performance could not be optimal.
The Zuiko 12-100 f4 Pro is known to be also an excellent optics but I have no experience with it and cannot make any comments at this time.

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Sep 27, 2018 08:50:18   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
camerapapi wrote:
"Unfortunately, that is a common issue with a camera with a smaller than full frame sensor. Crop sensor cameras will always give you a greater depth of field than a full frame."

This is not totally true. It will be very hard for anyone to see a difference in depth of field with both cameras set at f16 when photographing the same subject from the same distance. To blur the background, lets say in portraits, because of the increased magnification with a cropped sensor it will be necessary to come closer to the subject to blur more the background like done with a "full frame camera.
Panning is a good way to blur backgrounds using a shutter speed of around 1/30 sec. or so. I do not know how to blur the background in sports unless a large aperture is used with a tele and the background is somewhat distant from the subject.

I do not know how successful is the OP using a camera like the EM-10 Mk II that has only contrast detection AF to photograph sports. I would say the Olympus EM-1 Mk II would be a better choice. The 40-150 f2.8 Pro is an excellent lens from all I know about it but it is somewhat bulky and heavy. That was the reason I bought the cheap 40-150 f4-5.6 kit lens which is light, compact and has excellent image quality. The lens mount is plastic, nothing that bothers me and it has variable apertures like many other zooms so in low light its performance could not be optimal.
The Zuiko 12-100 f4 Pro is known to be also an excellent optics but I have no experience with it and cannot make any comments at this time.
"Unfortunately, that is a common issue with a... (show quote)


Oh crap...I missed that he was shooting with an em10ii...I thought he said em1ii. Scratch my earlier thought about using the old 150f2...it would only work in manual focus mode...which doesn't work all that well when you're talking about moving objects.

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Sep 27, 2018 08:57:57   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
TRAVLR38 wrote:
Hi, All,
I have a question that I hope I don't already know the answer to.
The problem is isolating the foreground and creating a blurred background for sports (soccer, volleyball, football, etc.) with a MFT camera, Olympus OM D M10ii, to be precise. I have ordered a Zuiko Pro f/2.8 40-150 lens, but am not able to get the separation I want. This lens has marvelous IQ, but is ungainly for a walk around lens. It is well within the time period in which I can send it back. I can and am considering the Zuiko Pro f/4 12-100 lens, which also has great IQ, according to the tests done by Imaging-Resource.
I can always use Photoshop to blur the background, but it takes about 15-20 minutes per image to make it look good. This requires carefully selecting the subject, inverting and blurring the background. It works, but takes more time than I care to spend, except for an exceptional catch.
So...Finally to the question. Can the MFT sensor isolate the subject in some way that I do not yet know? Or do the physics involved make this possible only for a full frame sensor and an f/2.8 lens? Am I seeking the impossible?
Because I take lots of types of pictures and because I am pretty heavily invested in MFT, I don't want to spring for a full frame and a mammoth lens which I would only use for sport.
I would appreciate any advice.
Thanks
Hi, All, br I have a question that I hope I don't... (show quote)


Get a FF camera, problem solved. Other than that, as others are explaining, careful choice of FL, Distances, Stops, and Expectations from the equipment. The things MFT could stand for. One I should not quote here.

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Sep 27, 2018 09:18:56   #
TRAVLR38 Loc: CENTRAL PA
 
Thanks for your rapid reply. I am having trouble sending images. This is the first time I have tried to do this. The UHH program doesn't seem to want me to send more than one image at a time. No clue why, but I cannot select more than one. They would be raw anyway. I deleted most of my jpeg originals in LRCC after having made the edits I wanted. Trying to save space on hard drive.

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