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Sep 24, 2018 10:36:32   #
srt101fan
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A topic with so much disagreement and controversy would lead me to buy a lens to match the camera. If the differences in the results were that dramatic, there would be no controversy. Over the years, the general advice has been to buy FX lenses because they're better, and if you make the move to an FX body, you'll be all set. When you need a microscope to tell which is better, neither is better.


"When you need a microscope to tell which is better, neither is better."

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Sep 24, 2018 10:56:16   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Gene51 wrote:
TN definitely gets this wrong each time he tries to double down on his misunderstanding of perceptual megapixels.

He is wrong.

The center part of any lens is better than the edges. All you need to do to check this is to look at any MTF chart, or review where lenses are measured at the center, edges and extreme corners. Very few lenses offer exceptional quality into the corners, at least not wide open.

If what he claims is true, then the PC-E and Tilt/Shift lenses should be horrendous on FX cameras, since their image circle is almost big enough to cover medium format to allow for shift and tilt.

This MTF summary graph shows center/edge/corner performance

https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-24mm-f1-4g/2

As you can see, it always performs better in the center part of the lens, which, incidentally, is the part that a DX camera uses. So the lens on a DX camera would have more consistent sharpness and freedom from aberrations that might be present if it where used on an FX body.

What does exaggerate things is when you magnify a DX image to make a print. You have to use 50% more magnification to get to the same size.

A lens does not lose sharpness when you put it on a smaller sensor camera. You will get better performance using FX lenses on a DX camera.

A CX sensor is even smaller than DX, and has a 2.7 crop factor compared to the 1.5 on DX. In all likelihood a CX lens will not cover a DX camera sensor, so it is completely out of the question.

You do not have to recalculate focal lengths based on sensor coverage - a 50mm FX lens will still be a 50mm lens on a DX and on a Micro4/3. The difference is the crop factor and what it does to angle of view. On a DX camera any 50mm lens will give you a field of view similar to a 75mm lens, and on a MFT camera it will be similar to 100mm.

To my knowledge there are only two 10 mm lenses - the Nikon 10.5 F2.8 DX Fisheye, and the manual focus 10mm F2.8 Rokinon which will give you a field of view similar to 15.75mm and 15mm respectively.

I hope this clarifies things a little.
TN definitely gets this wrong each time he tries ... (show quote)




I really enjoy watching Tony and Chelsea and, for the most part, I agree with their perspectives, but they don't always get it right. This is one of those cases.

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Sep 24, 2018 12:23:33   #
klaus Loc: Guatemala City, Guatemala
 
cr1218 wrote:
I am new to the universe of Nikon lenses. I just bought a d3400 which is an APS-C, DX, camera. So ideally lenses would not be FX. That's because the APS-C sensor will only use the central part of an FX lens, exaggerating any defects it may have. At least, according to Tony Northrup in a video titled "20 Things Most PHOTOGRAPHERS Get WRONG", at about 18:15.

Anyway these are the lenses I have coming.

macro: Nikon AF-S DX Micro-NIKKOR 40mm f/2.8G
50mm prime: Nikon AF FX NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8D (oops, FX lens)
35mm prime: Nikon 35mm f/1.8G AF-S DX Lens
kit lens: 18-55 VR
kit lens: 70-300

Questions for a Nikon Noob:

Is [ Nikon AF-P DX NIKKOR 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR ] my best option for getting a wide angle?
Is there a prime 10mm for DX?
Is there a 50mm prime for DX?
Is the 50mm prime, above, about 75mm on a DX?
What would be some interesting discontinued lenses to consider?
Should I avoid CX lenses, unless I don't mind a recalculated focal length?
When a lens is advertised as FX/DX, are they assuming one will recalculate the focal length for DX?
This one looks promising: [ Tokina AT-X PRO 11-16mm f/2.8 SD MF DX IF AF Lens ]


Thanks for your comments!
I am new to the universe of Nikon lenses. I just b... (show quote)



First of all, everything Tony Northrup says you have to take with a grain of salt!!!

You can safely mount (with a few rare exceptions) all Nikon (and third party) F mount FX and DX lenses on your camera .

All Nikon F mount lenses (FX and DX) with the AF-S or AF-P designator are fully compatible and will work great with your D-3400.

Older AF and AF-D lenses will meter and set aperture but will only manual focus since your camera does not have a built in focus motor like the D7xxx series and D500 DX cameras.
The 50mm AF-D lens you have coming will therefore NOT autofocus on your camera.

You have the idea of FX lenses being inferior on a DX camera backwards.
Since only the center portion of the lens is used on DX it will actually perform better on a DX camera.
The sharpest part of any lens IS THE CENTER SECTION!

You pretty much duplicated lenses with the 35mm and 40mm primes you have coming. The 40mm is not very popular since it is too short a focal lens for macro. You have to get very close to your objects which can create unwanted shadows. Also shooting insects will be difficult since they are easily disturbed. A good Macro would be for example a 90mm Tamron or 100mm Tokina even on a DX camera and can serve double duty as portrait lenses.

If your 70-300mm (you didn't specify) is the older AF-D design it will also not autofocus on your camera.


OK, I now will try to answer your questions in order

Is [ Nikon AF-P DX NIKKOR 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR ] my best option for getting a wide angle?
There is a wide array of decent wide angle lenses available from Nikon and third party manufacturers like Tamron, Sigma and the Tokina line of lenses (11-16, 11-20, 12-24, 12-28, etc.).
They all work great on your camera but make sure you get a model with the built-in focus motor.

Is there a prime 10mm for DX?
There are some third party manual focus options from Korea.
Not something I would put on my camera.

Is there a 50mm prime for DX?
Yes any Nikon 50mm AF-S (FX) lens will work absolutely great on your DX camera.
The Nikon AF-S 50mm f/1.8 is one of my favorite portrait lenses on my D3300 and D7200. Very sharp and nice BOKEH.

Is the 50mm prime, above, about 75mm on a DX?
It will always be a 50mm lens but on DX it has the field of view of a 75mm lens.
BTW., your 35mm DX lens will behave like a 52mm lens and your 40mm DX like a 60mm lens because of the crop factor. It does NOT matter that they are DX lenses!
They will actually work on an FX camera but because they are physically smaller (designed for the smaller DX sensor) they will show severe vignetting on FX on larger apertures.

What would be some interesting discontinued lenses to consider?
WIth your D3400 you are somewhat limited with older lenses since it does not have the built-in focus motor.
I would stay away from older lenses anyway since they might have had a rough life and could be mechanically unreliable or have fungus.

Should I avoid CX lenses, unless I don't mind a recalculated focal length?
CX lenses are much much smaller than F mount lenses and therefore INCOMPATIBLE with F mount cameras.
There is an adapter to mount F mount lenses on a Nikon 1 camera but NOT the other way around.

When a lens is advertised as FX/DX, are they assuming one will recalculate the focal length for DX?
As explained above the focal length on the lens DOES NOT CHANGE!
Only the viewing angle is tighter making it look like a longer lens on DX (by the 1.5x calculated crop factor) .

This one looks promising: [ Tokina AT-X PRO 11-16mm f/2.8 SD MF DX IF AF Lens ]
I own it and it is a beast! Very well made, very sharp (rivaling primes!) and very heavy.
You do have to be careful with the positioning of lights (or the sun) because you can easily get unwanted flare.

I hope this answers all your questions (and raises some new ones)!

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Sep 24, 2018 13:18:38   #
cr1218
 
Much to absorb, many thanks! Will read carefully and experiment liberally!

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Sep 24, 2018 13:18:48   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I love my Nikon 28-300mm.

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Sep 24, 2018 14:26:34   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
cr1218 wrote:
I am new to the universe of Nikon lenses. I just bought a d3400 which is an APS-C, DX, camera. So ideally lenses would not be FX. That's because the APS-C sensor will only use the central part of an FX lens, exaggerating any defects it may have. At least, according to Tony Northrup in a video titled "20 Things Most PHOTOGRAPHERS Get WRONG", at about 18:15.

Anyway these are the lenses I have coming.

macro: Nikon AF-S DX Micro-NIKKOR 40mm f/2.8G
50mm prime: Nikon AF FX NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8D (oops, FX lens)
35mm prime: Nikon 35mm f/1.8G AF-S DX Lens
kit lens: 18-55 VR
kit lens: 70-300

Questions for a Nikon Noob:

Is [ Nikon AF-P DX NIKKOR 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR ] my best option for getting a wide angle?
Is there a prime 10mm for DX?
Is there a 50mm prime for DX?
Is the 50mm prime, above, about 75mm on a DX?
What would be some interesting discontinued lenses to consider?
Should I avoid CX lenses, unless I don't mind a recalculated focal length?
When a lens is advertised as FX/DX, are they assuming one will recalculate the focal length for DX?
This one looks promising: [ Tokina AT-X PRO 11-16mm f/2.8 SD MF DX IF AF Lens ]


Thanks for your comments!
I am new to the universe of Nikon lenses. I just b... (show quote)


Tony Northrup is entitled to his opinions, even if they are WRONG. FX lenses are, usually, better than DX lenses on a DX exactly BECAUSE you are only using the CENTER, SHARPER portion. Also, a FX lens allows you more flexibility should you ever decide to migrate to FX. Best of luck.

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Sep 24, 2018 14:32:49   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
You have indicated that you have the 18-55mm DX Nikkor coming and also want to know about a ultra wide angle. I went through this same process several months ago. I also have the 18-55mm DX. I decided on the Nikkor DX AF P 10-20mm because a 10-20mm or an 11-24mm FF lens would effectively be a 15-30mm or 16-36mm on my D7200. This was already covered by my 18-55mm, so I would just be replicating.

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Sep 24, 2018 15:05:56   #
mkiegold86 Loc: New York, NY. U.S.A.
 
I have the 10-24DX and the 18-140mmDX so there is some overlap but there are shots I couldn't get without the wide end of the 10-24mm.

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Sep 24, 2018 15:31:24   #
wetreed
 
NCMtnMan wrote:
You have indicated that you have the 18-55mm DX Nikkor coming and also want to know about a ultra wide angle. I went through this same process several months ago. I also have the 18-55mm DX. I decided on the Nikkor DX AF P 10-20mm because a 10-20mm or an 11-24mm FF lens would effectively be a 15-30mm or 16-36mm on my D7200. This was already covered by my 18-55mm, so I would just be replicating.


Your 18-55 is effectively a 27-83 so it doesn’t duplicate. The Nikon-10-20 is a great lens and the best value anywhere.

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Sep 24, 2018 15:53:23   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
cr1218 wrote:
I am new to the universe of Nikon lenses. I just bought a d3400 which is an APS-C, DX, camera. So ideally lenses would not be FX. That's because the APS-C sensor will only use the central part of an FX lens, exaggerating any defects it may have. At least, according to Tony Northrup in a video titled "20 Things Most PHOTOGRAPHERS Get WRONG", at about 18:15.

Anyway these are the lenses I have coming.

macro: Nikon AF-S DX Micro-NIKKOR 40mm f/2.8G
50mm prime: Nikon AF FX NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8D (oops, FX lens)
35mm prime: Nikon 35mm f/1.8G AF-S DX Lens
kit lens: 18-55 VR
kit lens: 70-300

Questions for a Nikon Noob:

Is [ Nikon AF-P DX NIKKOR 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR ] my best option for getting a wide angle?
Is there a prime 10mm for DX?
Is there a 50mm prime for DX?
Is the 50mm prime, above, about 75mm on a DX?
What would be some interesting discontinued lenses to consider?
Should I avoid CX lenses, unless I don't mind a recalculated focal length?
When a lens is advertised as FX/DX, are they assuming one will recalculate the focal length for DX?
This one looks promising: [ Tokina AT-X PRO 11-16mm f/2.8 SD MF DX IF AF Lens ]


Thanks for your comments!
I am new to the universe of Nikon lenses. I just b... (show quote)


50mm prime: Nikon AF FX NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8D (oops, FX lens) Uhhhh oh.... Did you say this was a "D" lens? I'm pretty sure the D3400 will not focus this lens. The "G" lens will work fantastic though!!

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Sep 24, 2018 15:57:22   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
klaus wrote:
First of all, everything Tony Northrup says you have to take with a grain of salt!!!

You can safely mount (with a few rare exceptions) all Nikon (and third party) F mount FX and DX lenses on your camera .

All Nikon F mount lenses (FX and DX) with the AF-S or AF-P designator are fully compatible and will work great with your D-3400.

Older AF and AF-D lenses will meter and set aperture but will only manual focus since your camera does not have a built in focus motor like the D7xxx series and D500 DX cameras.
The 50mm AF-D lens you have coming will therefore NOT autofocus on your camera.

You have the idea of FX lenses being inferior on a DX camera backwards.
Since only the center portion of the lens is used on DX it will actually perform better on a DX camera.
The sharpest part of any lens IS THE CENTER SECTION!

You pretty much duplicated lenses with the 35mm and 40mm primes you have coming. The 40mm is not very popular since it is too short a focal lens for macro. You have to get very close to your objects which can create unwanted shadows. Also shooting insects will be difficult since they are easily disturbed. A good Macro would be for example a 90mm Tamron or 100mm Tokina even on a DX camera and can serve double duty as portrait lenses.

If your 70-300mm (you didn't specify) is the older AF-D design it will also not autofocus on your camera.


OK, I now will try to answer your questions in order

Is [ Nikon AF-P DX NIKKOR 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR ] my best option for getting a wide angle?
There is a wide array of decent wide angle lenses available from Nikon and third party manufacturers like Tamron, Sigma and the Tokina line of lenses (11-16, 11-20, 12-24, 12-28, etc.).
They all work great on your camera but make sure you get a model with the built-in focus motor.

Is there a prime 10mm for DX?
There are some third party manual focus options from Korea.
Not something I would put on my camera.

Is there a 50mm prime for DX?
Yes any Nikon 50mm AF-S (FX) lens will work absolutely great on your DX camera.
The Nikon AF-S 50mm f/1.8 is one of my favorite portrait lenses on my D3300 and D7200. Very sharp and nice BOKEH.

Is the 50mm prime, above, about 75mm on a DX?
It will always be a 50mm lens but on DX it has the field of view of a 75mm lens.
BTW., your 35mm DX lens will behave like a 52mm lens and your 40mm DX like a 60mm lens because of the crop factor. It does NOT matter that they are DX lenses!
They will actually work on an FX camera but because they are physically smaller (designed for the smaller DX sensor) they will show severe vignetting on FX on larger apertures.

What would be some interesting discontinued lenses to consider?
WIth your D3400 you are somewhat limited with older lenses since it does not have the built-in focus motor.
I would stay away from older lenses anyway since they might have had a rough life and could be mechanically unreliable or have fungus.

Should I avoid CX lenses, unless I don't mind a recalculated focal length?
CX lenses are much much smaller than F mount lenses and therefore INCOMPATIBLE with F mount cameras.
There is an adapter to mount F mount lenses on a Nikon 1 camera but NOT the other way around.

When a lens is advertised as FX/DX, are they assuming one will recalculate the focal length for DX?
As explained above the focal length on the lens DOES NOT CHANGE!
Only the viewing angle is tighter making it look like a longer lens on DX (by the 1.5x calculated crop factor) .

This one looks promising: [ Tokina AT-X PRO 11-16mm f/2.8 SD MF DX IF AF Lens ]
I own it and it is a beast! Very well made, very sharp (rivaling primes!) and very heavy.
You do have to be careful with the positioning of lights (or the sun) because you can easily get unwanted flare.

I hope this answers all your questions (and raises some new ones)!
First of all, everything Tony Northrup says you ha... (show quote)


Oooppps! Noticed you talked about the "D" no focus issue also!!

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Sep 24, 2018 16:09:56   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
cr1218 wrote:
I am new to the universe of Nikon lenses. I just bought a d3400 which is an APS-C, DX, camera. So ideally lenses would not be FX.


When I bought my first DSLR it was a D200 then a D300. Through the life of those 2 cameras my go to lens was the 18-200 DX VR. I never regretted it, never had a problem with it, capture great, crisp and sharp photos with it both wide and zoom. I still own it even thoughI bought a D810 and an array of FX lenses. Ocasionally I will break out the D300 and shoot with it or take as back up. Bottom line... 18-200 is good quality Nikon glass. Perhaps a refurb?

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Sep 24, 2018 16:54:29   #
Flash Falasca Loc: Beverly Hills, Florida
 
the center of the lens is the good area !!

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Sep 24, 2018 17:02:01   #
klaus Loc: Guatemala City, Guatemala
 
Orange Krate wrote:
When I bought my first DSLR it was a D200 then a D300. Through the life of those 2 cameras my go to lens was the 18-200 DX VR. I never regretted it, never had a problem with it, capture great, crisp and sharp photos with it both wide and zoom. I still own it even thoughI bought a D810 and an array of FX lenses. Ocasionally I will break out the D300 and shoot with it or take as back up. Bottom line... 18-200 is good quality Nikon glass. Perhaps a refurb?


The 18-200 might have been a good lens on a 12MP camera but today's 24MP DX cameras without the low pass filter (like the OP's D3400) will brutally show the flaws of any lens.
I have a D3300 and D7200 and switched to short range zooms (i.e. Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 and Tamron 17-50 f/2.8) for exactly that reason. My much beloved 18-105 was great even on my old 16MP D7000 but it was soft on the D7200 at all apertures even after calibrating the lens to the body. I now shoot mostly with the the above mentioned zooms and Nikon 35mm, 50mm and Tamron 90mm Macro primes. The Tamron 90mm f/2.8 Macro also doubles as a very capable portrait lens.

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Sep 24, 2018 17:47:06   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
If Tony Northrup told me what time it is, I'd pray I had an accurate watch to check the time for myself. That video should probably be "20 things I get WRONG and continue to do so".
--Bob
cr1218 wrote:
I am new to the universe of Nikon lenses. I just bought a d3400 which is an APS-C, DX, camera. So ideally lenses would not be FX. That's because the APS-C sensor will only use the central part of an FX lens, exaggerating any defects it may have. At least, according to Tony Northrup in a video titled "20 Things Most PHOTOGRAPHERS Get WRONG", at about 18:15.

Anyway these are the lenses I have coming.

macro: Nikon AF-S DX Micro-NIKKOR 40mm f/2.8G
50mm prime: Nikon AF FX NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8D (oops, FX lens)
35mm prime: Nikon 35mm f/1.8G AF-S DX Lens
kit lens: 18-55 VR
kit lens: 70-300

Questions for a Nikon Noob:

Is [ Nikon AF-P DX NIKKOR 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR ] my best option for getting a wide angle?
Is there a prime 10mm for DX?
Is there a 50mm prime for DX?
Is the 50mm prime, above, about 75mm on a DX?
What would be some interesting discontinued lenses to consider?
Should I avoid CX lenses, unless I don't mind a recalculated focal length?
When a lens is advertised as FX/DX, are they assuming one will recalculate the focal length for DX?
This one looks promising: [ Tokina AT-X PRO 11-16mm f/2.8 SD MF DX IF AF Lens ]


Thanks for your comments!
I am new to the universe of Nikon lenses. I just b... (show quote)

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