Nikon D3500, released TODAY ... does it have a Self-Clean Sensor, or not? (Page 2): You apparently missed the part where I said I wasn't defending them. You, apparently on the other...

WJShaheen Loc: Gold Canyon, AZ

Chris T wrote:

No need to defend them, William ... they seem to be getting plenty back on those $3350 D850s - don't they?

Maybe, once everyone and their cousin has one ... they'll put back the stuff they left out of their lower line cameras ... ?

You apparently missed the part where I said I wasn't defending them. You, apparently on the other hand just love to shout.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

WJShaheen wrote:

You apparently missed the part where I said I wasn't defending them. You, apparently on the other hand just love to shout.

I missed nothing you wrote, William ... just following the wind in your sails ...

Oh, BTW ... THIS is SHOUTING!

This, on the other hand - isn't ...

WJShaheen Loc: Gold Canyon, AZ

Chris T wrote:

Really, ID? ... Nikon must REALLY be hurting ... maybe they're not selling as many of those $6500 D5s as they'd hoped - huh?

But, this is (shouting).

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

WJShaheen wrote:

But, this is (shouting).

Actually ... NO, it isn't, William ... it's ALL in lower case ... look, again!!!

WJShaheen Loc: Gold Canyon, AZ

Chris T wrote:

Actually ... NO, it isn't, William ... it's ALL in lower case ... look, again!!!

I just don't see the point of whining about why a manufacturer chooses to omit features from certain levels of their product line. (Darn, Chevy should make Sonic with a moon roof standard.) Are you shopping for a D3500? Judging from your inventory, you don't need one.

I.e., I opted for the D7500 because of its features, which includes the hot shoe protector, by the way.

William

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

WJShaheen wrote:

I just don't see the point of whining about why a manufacturer chooses to omit features from certain levels of their product line. (Darn, Chevy should make Sonic with a moon roof standard.) Are you shopping for a D3500? Judging from your inventory, you don't need one.

I.e., I opted for the D7500 because of its features, which includes the hot shoe protector, by the way.

William

Oh, good, William ... then, perhaps YOU can tell me about the Electronic VR, which engages, automatically, when a NON-VR lens is attached ...

If I buy another Nikon, for myself - it will probably BE a D7500 (if I can find a concrete answer, for the above question) ...

I was considering a D3500 as a B-Day present for my lady, but, after finding out Nikon omitted the Self-Clean sensor - again - I'll choose another.

The last lower-range Nikon I bought - the D5500 - lacks the protector ... the D5300 I purchased before that - has one (never removed to this day!)

No, you're right, William ... I don't need another camera ... but, still - the D7500 is very tempting ...

agillot

the vac is not near the camera , just the end of the hose , about a inch away from the lens opening with , first mirror down , then mirror up , shutter open for a few seconds .what is complicated about this ? never had my sensor clean in a pro manner , the vac always did the trick .cost nothing , done in a few minutes .dont knock until you try it .just too simple .

WJShaheen Loc: Gold Canyon, AZ

Chris T wrote:

Oh, good, William ... then, perhaps YOU can tell m... (show quote)

Oh, it really is tempting. I wish I could help you with the VR question but I only have a VR lens (18-140 DX VR).

I was unaware you could get VR out of a non-VR lens.

I will say, you couldn't go wrong with the D5300 though. It is simpler to use, IMHO.

Did you look at CameraDecision?

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D5300-vs-Nikon-D7500

I think the 5300 would be a great gift, depending on her level of expertise.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

agillot wrote:

the vac is not near the camera , just the end of the hose , about a inch away from the lens opening with , first mirror down , then mirror up , shutter open for a few seconds .what is complicated about this ? never had my sensor clean in a pro manner , the vac always did the trick .cost nothing , done in a few minutes .dont knock until you try it .just too simple .

Any vacuum cleaner, used near complicated electronics (and, in-particular - devices which save images) - are prone to possible damage ...

I spent a few months, after Canon advised me on the phone, my T3 needed a Pro cleaning (at a cost of $250) trying to remove debris on the sensor.

After I finally got it clean, I vowed to never switch to another lens, again - attached my Tamron 18-270, and have never looked back, since ...

In fact, even on my other two Canons - which DO have Self-Clean sensors ... I rarely change the lenses ...

I know this ... I will never EVER buy another DSLR - without a Self-Clean sensor ....

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

WJShaheen wrote:

Oh, it really is tempting. I wish I could help you with the VR question but I only have a VR lens (18-140 DX VR).

I was unaware you could get VR out of a non-VR lens.

I will say, you couldn't go wrong with the D5300 though. It is simpler to use, IMHO.

Did you look at CameraDecision?

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D5300-vs-Nikon-D7500

I think the 5300 would be a great gift, depending on her level of expertise.

William - do you think you could look it up in the D7500 manual, and let me know?

Look under "Electronic VR" and/or - "attaching a non-VR Nikkor lens" ....

The D5300 with its built-in GPS - is an excellent camera, and is just about my most favorite Nikon ...

But, I sense it may well be too complicated for my lady ... the D3200 would probably suit her better ... but, if I go Nikon - it may be the D3300.

The D3400, and the D3500 - released, just yesterday - lack the all-important self-cleaning sensor ....

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

agillot wrote:

the vac is not near the camera , just the end of the hose , about a inch away from the lens opening with , first mirror down , then mirror up , shutter open for a few seconds .what is complicated about this ? never had my sensor clean in a pro manner , the vac always did the trick .cost nothing , done in a few minutes .dont knock until you try it .just too simple .

Agillot ... if you've ever bought a new motherboard, or - for that matter - a new hard drive - you will have also received a manual ...

If you were to look at the Safety Precautions page - it warns you THERE - NOT to use a vacuum cleaner anywhere NEAR these devices ....

If you think about it a while - you will realize - it makes perfect sense!!!

What is a DSLR - but a portable computer, with a CPU, a motherboard, and a hard drive (of sorts) ...

WJShaheen Loc: Gold Canyon, AZ

Chris T wrote:

William - do you think you could look it up in the... (show quote)

I can take a look. In the meantime, perhaps you could find it more quickly from the following link, since you may be more familiar with what to look for:
https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/352/D7500.html

It will be interesting.

incidentally, another option for reading Nikon user documentation can be found here: https://www.nikon.co.uk/en_GB/product/apps_software/manual-viewer-2
I've used it and it very convenient.

William

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

WJShaheen wrote:

I can take a look. In the meantime, perhaps you could find it more quickly from the following link, since you may be more familiar with what to look for:
https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/352/D7500.html

It will be interesting.

incidentally, another option for reading Nikon user documentation can be found here: https://www.nikon.co.uk/en_GB/product/apps_software/manual-viewer-2
I've used it and it very convenient.

William

Thanks so much for the links, William ... I shall take a look ... if they involve downloads, though - I don't think they'll do me much good ...

I tried downloading the D7500 manual last week, but, it dropped out (I'm on dial-up) ...

That was a move I made, immediately, after reading Nikon's own blurb, which outlined this feature of the D7500 - and so intrigued me ...

That, along with the other stuff I've read about it - making it seem just like a D500 but $700 cheaper ... made me quite curious ...

For that $700, I could also pick up a D7200, to boot!!!!

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

WJShaheen wrote:

I can take a look. In the meantime, perhaps you could find it more quickly from the following link, since you may be more familiar with what to look for:
https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/352/D7500.html

It will be interesting.

incidentally, another option for reading Nikon user documentation can be found here: https://www.nikon.co.uk/en_GB/product/apps_software/manual-viewer-2
I've used it and it very convenient.

William

All I could find, using that ON-LINE manual, you sent me to - is this, William -

"Choose whether to enable electronic vibration reduction in movie mode."

All I can think, William - is - I conjectured, based upon what I read ... no, actually, it wasn't like that ...

It's possible the Nikon blurb I read, was put together AFTER the D7500 manual was written ...

There is nothing there - which lends itself to the idea, that Electronic VR mode, automatically engages when a non-VR lens is attached.

As a matter of fact, I could not find ANY mention of even USING non-VR lenses with the D7500 !!!

But, it IS clear there IS an Electronic VR mode - that's for sure - but, according to the On-Line Manual, it's part of the Movie Mode.

You know, William ... I seem to remember bookmarking that blurb ... let me see if I can find it ... found it ... coming up, now ...

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

WJShaheen wrote:

I can take a look. In the meantime, perhaps you could find it more quickly from the following link, since you may be more familiar with what to look for:
https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/352/D7500.html

It will be interesting.

incidentally, another option for reading Nikon user documentation can be found here: https://www.nikon.co.uk/en_GB/product/apps_software/manual-viewer-2
I've used it and it very convenient.

William

Here it is, William ... got it from my own saved copy of Nikon's own blurb ... couldn't find it in the on-line manual ... but, thanks, anyway ....

Electronic VR

Capture smooth footage when working without a tripod, or using a single-focal-length (prime) lens without optical VR

Above found on THIS page > https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/d7500-technical.page